From seanvanco at gmail.com Tue May 1 16:18:13 2007 From: seanvanco at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 16:18:13 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] bind9/rndc error upon reload Message-ID: <2caee2210705011618ub9eda35v908c0ca9a4a5ec9f@mail.gmail.com> I am having a problem with Bind9 that I have been working on for some time, and it's time to ask for help... I have two systems, one master and one slave (both running Debian 4.0), and it is the master that is having the problem. The primary master seems to have no errors, and the zone files seem to get updated (I suspect that the problem started sometime after I last started the bind service). Upon issuing the command /etc/init.d/bind9 reload, I get the following error: Reloading domain name service...: bindrndc: connection to remote host closed This may indicate that the remote server is using an older version of the command protocol, this host is not authorized to connect, or the key is invalid. failed! I am fairly sure my config files are correct, but just in case the relevant portions are listed below. I did regenerate the key using rndc-confgen, but it had no effect. I did double check to make sure the key was the same for both servers in the named.conf and rndc.key files. I also checked file permissions. Any help will be much appreciated. I've done quite a bit of research on the internet, and nothing I've found has helped. The entries listed below are the same on both servers. Sean #named.conf: controls { inet 127.0.0.1 port 953 allow { localhost; secondary_server_IP; } keys { rndc.key; }; }; allow-transfer { secondary_server_IP; }; key "rndc.key" { algorithm hmac-md5; secret "[code removed]"; }; #rndc.key key "rndc.key" { algorithm hmac-md5; secret "[code removed]"; }; From rhayes at silcom.com Tue May 1 16:22:14 2007 From: rhayes at silcom.com (Robert Hayes) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 16:22:14 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] apt sources.list problems and URLS Message-ID: <200705011622.14759.rhayes@silcom.com> Gawd, I'm gonna regret this. I've finally reached a point where I can no longer ignore all the broke !@#$ in my sources.list. I need to run a successful update. The majority of the responses returned are: Ign.... Can anyone point me to a current source for a sources.list please? Here is my current sources.list, followed by apt-gets' responses when that sources.list is used: -------- # See sources.list(5) for more information, especialy # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs # CDROMs are managed through the apt-cdrom tool. # Security updates for "stable" #deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free #deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free # Stable #deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/pub/debian stable main contrib non-free #deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/pub/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free # Sources #deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/pub/debian stable main contrib non-free deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free #deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/pub/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free # Testing deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing testing main contrib non-free deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing/non-US main contrib non-free # Sources deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/pub/debian testing main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/pub/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free # Tellico #deb http://www.imalip.info/tellico testing main # Unstable #deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free #deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free # Sources #deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free #deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free # Experimental # deb http://debian.uni-essen.de/debian ../project/experimental main contrib non-free # deb-src http://debian.uni-essen.de/debian ../project/experimental main contrib non-free # Mozilla #deb http://non-us.debian.org/~kitame/mozilla ./ #deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/~kitame/mozilla ./ # GNOME 2.0 # deb http://www.gnome.de/debian/ ./ # KDE 3 # deb http://ktown.kde.org/~nolden/kde stable main # deb-src http://ktown.kde.org/~nolden/kde stable main # We get packages from testing/unstable for now # cdbakeoven # deb http://coyote.asoc.euitt.upm.es/mud/debian/ ./ # XFree 4.2/4.3 #deb http://people.debian.org/~branden/packages sid/i386/ #deb-src http://people.debian.org/~branden/packages sid/source/ #deb http://www.penguinppc.org/~daniels/sid/i386 ./ #deb-src http://www.penguinppc.org/~daniels/sid/source ./ # Java #deb ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/languages/java/linux/debian woody main non-free #deb-src ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/languages/java/linux/debian woody main non-free #deb ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/languages/java/linux/debian unstable main non-free #deb-src ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/languages/java/linux/debian unstable main non-free #deb http://people.debian.org/~sgybas/jdk13 # LyX & others (now in debian/unstable) # deb ftp://ntama.uni-mainz.de/pub/debian unofficial/ # deb-src ftp://ntama.uni-mainz.de/pub/debian unofficial/ # Evolution #deb ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/debian stable main #deb-src ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/debian stable main # Blades Repository (pppoeconf & co) #deb http://people.debian.org/~blade/testing ./ #deb-src http://people.debian.org/~blade/testing ./ # mplayer #deb http://marillat.free.fr/ unstable main #deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main #Rox-Filer #deb http://www.janw.easynet.be/rox/ developer/ #deb http://www.hrw.one.pl/apt/ sid/ #deb-src http://www.hrw.one.pl/apt/ src/ #freevo #deb http://freevo.sourceforge.net/debian unstable main #Mythtv #deb http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian woody mythtv # # apt-get update && DEBIAN_PRIORITY=low apt-get install mythtv #Opera #deb http://www.opera.com/debian stable opera # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 r3 _Potato_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20010427)]/ unstable contrib main non- US/contrib non-US/main #typo3 #deb http://typo3.sunsite.dk/software/debian/ ./ #deb-src http://typo3.sunsite.dk/software/debian/ ./ #gwhere #deb http://www.gwhere.org/download/debian unstable main #deb-src http://www.gwhere.org/download/debian unstable main #monkeys-audio #deb http://www.rarewares.org/debian/packages/stable/ ./ #deb http://www.rarewares.org/debian/packages/unstable ./ #KDE Themes #deb http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool main contrib non-free #deb http://mentors.debian.net/debian/dists/unstable main contrib non-free #deb http://130.235.188.194/~jimmy/ ./ #wine #deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/ #deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ source/ ------- and the responses: ------- Get:1 http://mirrors.kernel.org stable Release.gpg [378B] Ign http://mirrors.kernel.org stable/non-US Release.gpg Hit http://mirrors.kernel.org stable Release Ign http://mirrors.kernel.org stable/non-US Release Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org testing Release.gpg Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-US Release.gpg Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org testing Release.gpg Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-US Release.gpg Ign http://mirrors.kernel.org stable/non-US/main Sources Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org testing Release Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-US Release Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org testing Release Ign http://mirrors.kernel.org stable/non-US/contrib Sources Ign http://mirrors.kernel.org stable/non-US/non-free Sources Get:2 http://mirrors.kernel.org stable Release [58.2kB] Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-US Release Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main Packages Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/contrib Packages Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-free Packages Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-US/main Packages Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-US/contrib Packages Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-US/non-free Packages Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main Sources Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/contrib Sources Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-free Sources Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-US/main Sources Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-US/contrib Sources Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-US/non-free Sources Err http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Err http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/contrib Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Err http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-free Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Err http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-US/main Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Err http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-US/contrib Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Err http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-US/non-free Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Err http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main Sources 301 Moved Permanently [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Err http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/contrib Sources 301 Moved Permanently [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Err http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-free Sources 301 Moved Permanently [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Err http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-US/main Sources 301 Moved Permanently [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Err http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-US/contrib Sources 301 Moved Permanently [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Err http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-US/non-free Sources 301 Moved Permanently [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Err http://mirrors.kernel.org stable/non-US/main Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Err http://mirrors.kernel.org stable/non-US/contrib Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Ign http://mirrors.kernel.org stable Release Err http://mirrors.kernel.org stable/non-US/non-free Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Ign http://mirrors.kernel.org stable/main Sources/DiffIndex Ign http://mirrors.kernel.org stable/contrib Sources/DiffIndex Ign http://mirrors.kernel.org stable/non-free Sources/DiffIndex Hit http://mirrors.kernel.org stable/main Sources Hit http://mirrors.kernel.org stable/contrib Sources Hit http://mirrors.kernel.org stable/non-free Sources Fetched 58.6kB in 0s (102kB/s) Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-non-US/dists/stable/non-US/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-non-US/dists/stable/non-US/contrib/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-non-US/dists/stable/non-US/non-free/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/dists/testing/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/dists/testing/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/non-US/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/non-US/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/non-US/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/pub/debian/dists/testing/main/source/Sources.gz 301 Moved Permanently [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/pub/debian/dists/testing/contrib/source/Sources.gz 301 Moved Permanently [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/pub/debian/dists/testing/non-free/source/Sources.gz 301 Moved Permanently [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/pub/debian-non-US/dists/testing/non-US/main/source/Sources.gz 301 Moved Permanently [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/pub/debian-non-US/dists/testing/non-US/contrib/source/Sources.gz 301 Moved Permanently [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/pub/debian-non-US/dists/testing/non-US/non-free/source/Sources.gz 301 Moved Permanently [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] Reading package lists... Done W: GPG error: http://mirrors.kernel.org stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 NO_PUBKEY B5D0C804ADB11277 W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_dists_testing_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_dists_testing_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-US/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-US/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-US/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. From frankb at frankb.us Tue May 1 16:32:36 2007 From: frankb at frankb.us (E Frank Ball) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 16:32:36 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] apt sources.list problems and URLS In-Reply-To: <200705011622.14759.rhayes@silcom.com> References: <200705011622.14759.rhayes@silcom.com> Message-ID: <20070501233236.GB20068@kamajii.efball.com> On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 04:22:14PM -0700, Robert Hayes wrote: > Gawd, I'm gonna regret this. > > I've finally reached a point where I can no longer ignore all the broke !@#$ > in my sources.list. I need to run a successful update. > > The majority of the responses returned are: Ign.... > > Can anyone point me to a current source for a sources.list please? deb ftp://ftp.sonic.net/mirrors/debian/ stable main deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main -- E Frank Ball frankb at frankb.us From calvin166 at pseudoweb.net Tue May 1 17:07:39 2007 From: calvin166 at pseudoweb.net (Nat W.) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 17:07:39 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Dell to sell Linux Message-ID: <000a01c78c4d$e8f8d320$03118c05@natimodo> Hey don't know if you guys saw this, but Dell is planning to offer Ubuntu 7.04 by the end of May. http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-6180419.html /Nat From cheetahmorph at gmail.com Tue May 1 18:25:49 2007 From: cheetahmorph at gmail.com (Jippen) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 18:25:49 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] apt sources.list problems and URLS In-Reply-To: <20070501233236.GB20068@kamajii.efball.com> References: <200705011622.14759.rhayes@silcom.com> <20070501233236.GB20068@kamajii.efball.com> Message-ID: Sonic runs a debian mirror?!?!? On 5/1/07, E Frank Ball wrote: > On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 04:22:14PM -0700, Robert Hayes wrote: > > Gawd, I'm gonna regret this. > > > > I've finally reached a point where I can no longer ignore all the broke !@#$ > > in my sources.list. I need to run a successful update. > > > > The majority of the responses returned are: Ign.... > > > > Can anyone point me to a current source for a sources.list please? > > > deb ftp://ftp.sonic.net/mirrors/debian/ stable main > deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main > > > -- > > E Frank Ball frankb at frankb.us > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at nblug.org > http://nblug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > -- Need a certified computer technicician? Comptia A+, Network+ Cisco Certified Network Associate From frankb at frankb.us Tue May 1 19:31:48 2007 From: frankb at frankb.us (E Frank Ball) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 19:31:48 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] apt sources.list problems and URLS In-Reply-To: References: <200705011622.14759.rhayes@silcom.com> <20070501233236.GB20068@kamajii.efball.com> Message-ID: <20070502023148.GB12489@kamajii.efball.com> On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 06:25:49PM -0700, Jippen wrote: > Sonic runs a debian mirror?!?!? Yes, they don't advertize it to outsiders, but it's there. This is another "local" and very fast (30MB/sec) source: deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ stable main > On 5/1/07, E Frank Ball wrote: > > > > deb ftp://ftp.sonic.net/mirrors/debian/ stable main > > deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main -- E Frank Ball frankb at frankb.us From rhouse at sonic.net Wed May 2 10:02:16 2007 From: rhouse at sonic.net (Roger House) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 10:02:16 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] What's with the SRJC Linux sysadmin program? Message-ID: <4638C418.2090006@sonic.net> Santa Rosa Junior College offers a Linux System Administration Achievement Certificate which requires at least five courses (there are some Recommended Preparation courses also). Some of these courses look quite interesting, but I was a bit disappointed to discover that only one of them will be offered in fall 2007: Introduction to UNIX (CIS 50.71). Is the Linux sysadmin program alive and well, or is it suffering from lack of interest? Roger House From seanvanco at gmail.com Wed May 2 12:47:32 2007 From: seanvanco at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:47:32 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] What's with the SRJC Linux sysadmin program? In-Reply-To: <4638C418.2090006@sonic.net> References: <4638C418.2090006@sonic.net> Message-ID: <2caee2210705021247y5b784d0fx5d6df9f1bebb209b@mail.gmail.com> The two main courses for this certification used to be offered each semester until a few years ago. Then the enrollment dropped off, and they decided that they could only afford to offer one class each semester. I get the impression from the instructors that they are committed to keeping the Linux sysadmin program alive, but it is suffering a bit from lack of interest. I've fallen a bit behind on the scuttlebutt, so I don't know what their future plans are. Sean From rhayes at silcom.com Wed May 2 13:40:54 2007 From: rhayes at silcom.com (Robert Hayes) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:40:54 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] apt sources.list problems and URLS In-Reply-To: <20070501233236.GB20068@kamajii.efball.com> References: <200705011622.14759.rhayes@silcom.com> <20070501233236.GB20068@kamajii.efball.com> Message-ID: <200705021340.55018.rhayes@silcom.com> Frank, you're a Prince. I don't care what anybody says... ;) That corrected virtually all the problems I've been staggering under, like some unappreciated modern martyr. Did I mention how painful this has been? Now to whack a few dependency issues and make a *really complete* backup. Thanks again Frank. Robert On Tuesday 01 May 2007 16:32, E Frank Ball wrote: > On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 04:22:14PM -0700, Robert Hayes wrote: > > Gawd, I'm gonna regret this. > > > > I've finally reached a point where I can no longer ignore all the broke > > !@#$ in my sources.list. I need to run a successful update. > > > > The majority of the responses returned are: Ign.... > > > > Can anyone point me to a current source for a sources.list please? > > deb ftp://ftp.sonic.net/mirrors/debian/ stable main > deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main From rperigo at gmail.com Wed May 2 16:10:46 2007 From: rperigo at gmail.com (Ryan Perigo) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 16:10:46 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] What's with the SRJC Linux sysadmin program? In-Reply-To: <2caee2210705021247y5b784d0fx5d6df9f1bebb209b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4638C418.2090006@sonic.net> <2caee2210705021247y5b784d0fx5d6df9f1bebb209b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm currently taking the second Linux course at the JC taught by M. Street, word is the course hasn't been and wont be offered for a few semesters. The course after that(standalone server, I think) is not even on the radar at the JC. I wonder if people are getting their training somewhere else around here (north bay) and where, or if the online community of *nix users is training its own fast enough to keep up with the demand. I suspect the latter. I'm sure Mr. Street will illuminate this issue in due time. Ryan On 5/2/07, Sean wrote: > > The two main courses for this certification used to be offered each > semester until a few years ago. Then the enrollment dropped off, and > they decided that they could only afford to offer one class each > semester. > > I get the impression from the instructors that they are committed to > keeping the Linux sysadmin program alive, but it is suffering a bit > from lack of interest. I've fallen a bit behind on the scuttlebutt, so > I don't know what their future plans are. > > > Sean > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at nblug.org > http://nblug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nblug.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20070502/d254e56f/attachment.htm From seanvanco at gmail.com Wed May 2 16:16:26 2007 From: seanvanco at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 16:16:26 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] bind9/rndc error upon reload In-Reply-To: <2caee2210705011618ub9eda35v908c0ca9a4a5ec9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <2caee2210705011618ub9eda35v908c0ca9a4a5ec9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2caee2210705021616w579a5c8aw5a7d406ff495e2ab@mail.gmail.com> I was able to get the bind daemon and rndc to function by using modified copies of the configs from my primary server. I still don't know what caused the problem initially, but turned out to be easily fixed with this method. Sean On 5/1/07, Sean wrote: > I am having a problem with Bind9 that I have been working on for some > time, and it's time to ask for help... > > I have two systems, one master and one slave (both running Debian > 4.0), and it is the master that is having the problem. The primary > master seems to have no errors, and the zone files seem to get updated > (I suspect that the problem started sometime after I last started the > bind service). > > Upon issuing the command /etc/init.d/bind9 reload, I get the following error: > > Reloading domain name service...: bindrndc: connection to remote host closed > This may indicate that the remote server is using an older version of > the command protocol, this host is not authorized to connect, > or the key is invalid. > failed! > > I am fairly sure my config files are correct, but just in case the > relevant portions are listed below. I did regenerate the key using > rndc-confgen, but it had no effect. I did double check to make sure > the key was the same for both servers in the named.conf and rndc.key > files. I also checked file permissions. > > Any help will be much appreciated. I've done quite a bit of research > on the internet, and nothing I've found has helped. The entries listed > below are the same on both servers. > > > Sean > > > #named.conf: > > controls { > inet 127.0.0.1 port 953 allow { localhost; > secondary_server_IP; } keys { rndc.key; }; > }; > > allow-transfer { secondary_server_IP; }; > > key "rndc.key" { > algorithm hmac-md5; > secret "[code removed]"; > > }; > > > #rndc.key > > key "rndc.key" { > algorithm hmac-md5; > secret "[code removed]"; > }; > From ed at rogersecommerce.com Fri May 4 02:28:14 2007 From: ed at rogersecommerce.com (ed at rogersecommerce.com) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 09:28:14 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [NBLUG/talk] What's with the SRJC Linux sysadmin program? In-Reply-To: <4638C418.2090006@sonic.net> References: <4638C418.2090006@sonic.net> Message-ID: <2276.4.246.209.24.1178270894.squirrel@rogersecommerce.com> It's embattled. I took the intro, sysadmin 1 and 2. All from Mark Street. Good classes. Mark is rather outspoken on the subject of linux and expanding the curriculum, but got frustrated with politics there and left for a year. He is now back. Ed > Santa Rosa Junior College offers a Linux System Administration > Achievement Certificate which requires at least five courses (there are > some > Recommended > Preparation courses also). Some of these courses look quite > interesting, but I > was a bit disappointed to discover that only one of them will be > offered in fall > 2007: Introduction to UNIX (CIS 50.71). Is the Linux sysadmin program > alive and well, or is it suffering from lack of interest? > > Roger House > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at nblug.org > http://nblug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk From jack.delbert at gmail.com Fri May 4 13:26:18 2007 From: jack.delbert at gmail.com (Jack Smith) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 16:26:18 -0400 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] free virtual server Message-ID: I'm sure that this has been covered many times, but what is out there for free (or cheap) that will let me run a Windows partition on my Linux box. I'm running 64-bit core 5, if it matters. Thanks, Jack -- English doesn't borrow from other languages -- English follows other languages down dark alleys and takes what it wants. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nblug.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20070504/669a5b91/attachment.htm From barry.stump at gmail.com Fri May 4 13:35:56 2007 From: barry.stump at gmail.com (Barry Stump) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 13:35:56 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] free virtual server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a1097b40705041335i3eba8c1bm1e0195f7b26ccb3e@mail.gmail.com> The VMware player is available free for linux, and works well for me. I understand they recently released a version of VMware Server for free as well. http://www.vmware.com/products/free_virtualization.html -Barry On 5/4/07, Jack Smith wrote: > I'm sure that this has been covered many times, but what is out there for > free (or cheap) that will let me run a Windows partition on my Linux box. > I'm running 64-bit core 5, if it matters. > Thanks, > Jack > > -- > English doesn't borrow from other languages -- English follows other > languages down dark alleys and takes what it wants. > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at nblug.org > http://nblug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > > From john at nouveaux-solutions.com Fri May 4 13:37:22 2007 From: john at nouveaux-solutions.com (John J. Nouveaux) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 13:37:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NBLUG/talk] free virtual server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20444.199.73.1.1.1178311042.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> http://www.vmware.com/products/server/ > I'm sure that this has been covered many times, but what is out there for > free (or cheap) that will let me run a Windows partition on my Linux box. > I'm running 64-bit core 5, if it matters. > Thanks, > Jack > > -- > English doesn't borrow from other languages -- English follows other > languages down dark alleys and takes what it wants. > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at nblug.org > http://nblug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > -- John Nouveaux From danno at umich.edu Fri May 4 13:49:21 2007 From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 16:49:21 -0400 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] [WLUG] free virtual server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070504204921.GA33294@maniac.deathstar.org> "Vmware desktop" is not cheap but is the most mature solution for what you want. "VMWare server" is free and can do what you want, i think. I believe it has limitations as a desktop solution. "vmware player" is free, and i think misses most of the limitations of the vmware server but cannot actually create a VM. I think you can create a VM under vmware server that works on player. I am 99% sure you can get a free demo license for vmware desktop, create a vm, and then use it with vmware player. Or you maybe could get a vm image from someone who has the full product. "parallels workstation" is $49 and is a competitor to vmware desktop. It is from the company that makes the only working virtualization solution on the mac. "Win4Lin pro desktop" is $69 and is another competitor. It is based on QEMU. I used an older version of their software that ran win9x only, and required a module in your linux kernel. THe current version runs 2000/xp (doesn't specifically list vista) and doesn't require kernel mods, runs in user space only. Win4Lin was an excellent company to deal with, they provided great support and hosted and were active on a user mailing list for the product. vmware is very corporate and high-dollar; the free products are no doubt unsupported. However, their stuff is very high quality in my experience. I don't konw anything significant about parallels. Vmware requires kernel mods; I am not sure about parallels. On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 04:26:18PM -0400, Jack Smith wrote: > I'm sure that this has been covered many times, but what is out there for > free (or cheap) that will let me run a Windows partition on my Linux box. > I'm running 64-bit core 5, if it matters. > Thanks, > Jack > > -- > English doesn't borrow from other languages -- English follows other > languages down dark alleys and takes what it wants. > -- > *** Sent from linux-users at lugwash.org *** http://www.lugwash.org > to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail linux-users-request at lugwash.org` danno -- dan pritts danno at umich.edu 734-929-9770 From ac at sonic.net Fri May 4 14:12:40 2007 From: ac at sonic.net (A.C.) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 14:12:40 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] free virtual server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <463BA1C8.302@sonic.net> The first question is whether or not your processor has VT-X or AMD-V extensions (see the Hardware Support section of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtualization_Technology for more information). You can find a list of processors with this support at http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/HVM_Compatible_Processors. There are a handful of solutions: QEMU / KQEMU / KVM (now part of 6.20 kernel): Unaccelerated / Accelerated / Hardware accelerated with VT-x / AMD-V proc extensions respectively. My experience is that even KVM is still very slow with a 64-bit host and a 32-bit Windows guest (tested on Kubuntu 7.04 x64 on a core duo with 4 GB of RAM, even). KVM appears to be free / Free at this point now that the accelerated portion has gone open source. Xen: Not part of the kernel and requires migrating your current Linux install to dom0. Requires a proc that uses VT-x or AMD-V to install Windows as a guest. Near native, but may be tricky to install. I have not yet tried it; anecdotal evidence seems to indicate that it works well enough, but may not be as easy to configure on 64-bit distributions. Xen still appears to be free / Free at this point. VMWare: This solution is free but not Free. It is stable and backed by VMWare but at the same time don't expect a lot of support for the free server or player versions. Performance may vary when mixing 64-bit hosts and 32-bit guests, especially if you do not have a processor that does not have VT-x or AMD-V extensions. I'm continuing to play around with different solutions and I haven't actually settled on one yet, so I'll post back once I finally make a decision. At the moment I'm still using VMWare on my 32-bit install, and I think my next step is getting a seamless desktop set up (think coherence from Parallels; check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SeamlessVirtualization). Good luck, A.C. ****** Jack Smith wrote: > I'm sure that this has been covered many times, but what is out there > for free (or cheap) that will let me run a Windows partition on my > Linux box. I'm running 64-bit core 5, if it matters. > Thanks, > Jack > > -- > English doesn't borrow from other languages -- English follows other > languages down dark alleys and takes what it wants. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at nblug.org > http://nblug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > From afishionado at gmail.com Fri May 4 14:30:57 2007 From: afishionado at gmail.com (William Tracy) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 14:30:57 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] [WLUG] free virtual server In-Reply-To: <20070504204921.GA33294@maniac.deathstar.org> References: <20070504204921.GA33294@maniac.deathstar.org> Message-ID: > "vmware player" is free, and i think misses most of the limitations of > the vmware server but cannot actually create a VM. I think you can > create a VM under vmware server that works on player. I am 99% sure > you can get a free demo license for vmware desktop, create a vm, and > then use it with vmware player. Or you maybe could get a vm image > from someone who has the full product. Bah, humbug. http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/05/16/1940214 Works for me. I created both of these images following the instructions in the link: http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=4028 http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=4027 -- William Tracy afishionado at gmail.com -- wtracy at calpoly.edu Breaking Linux in New and Exciting ways, #517: Running sshfs as root. # sshfs wtracy at vogon.csc.calpoly.edu school # ls school ls: school: No such file or directory # cd school # ls ls: .: No such file or directory From darose at darose.net Fri May 4 14:52:27 2007 From: darose at darose.net (David Rosenstrauch) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 17:52:27 -0400 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] [WLUG] free virtual server In-Reply-To: <20070504204921.GA33294@maniac.deathstar.org> References: <20070504204921.GA33294@maniac.deathstar.org> Message-ID: <463BAB1B.6010108@darose.net> Dan Pritts wrote: > "vmware player" is free, and i think misses most of the limitations of > the vmware server but cannot actually create a VM. I think you can > create a VM under vmware server that works on player. I am 99% sure > you can get a free demo license for vmware desktop, create a vm, and > then use it with vmware player. Or you maybe could get a vm image > from someone who has the full product. FYI - you can also create an image using this site: http://www.easyvmx.com/ (Really cool site, IMO, BTW.) DR From eric at nblug.org Fri May 4 14:55:52 2007 From: eric at nblug.org (Eric Eisenhart) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 14:55:52 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] [WLUG] free virtual server In-Reply-To: <20070504204921.GA33294@maniac.deathstar.org> References: <20070504204921.GA33294@maniac.deathstar.org> Message-ID: <20070504215552.GC28740@atlantic.devin.com> On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 04:49:21PM -0400, Dan Pritts wrote: [snip] > It is from the company that makes the only working virtualization > solution on the mac. [snip] I'm veering a little off-topic here, but that's not really true anymore... (the rest of your message was right on, though...) VMware has a working Mac solution. It's in beta, but I've been using it for work stuff (Running an XP VM on an OSX system) and it does seem to work pretty well: http://www.vmware.com/products/beta/fusion/ I assume that once it's out of beta pricing will be similar to the Workstation product, but I really don't know. From jack.delbert at gmail.com Sat May 5 09:11:26 2007 From: jack.delbert at gmail.com (Jack Smith) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 12:11:26 -0400 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] vmplayer configuration question Message-ID: OK, looks the the most direct way to get a windows partition running is to load vmplayer and create an image at easyvmx.com. Of course, it can't be that easy. I installed vmplayer using the .rpm and then ran the configure program. A few prompts down, I get the message What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] using the default I get The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.17-prep) does not match your running kernel (version 2.6.18-1.2239.fc5). Even if the module were to compile successfully, it would not load into the running kernel. So... where do I go to find the right kernel headers? Thanks, Jack -- English doesn't borrow from other languages -- English follows other languages down dark alleys and takes what it wants. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Even if the module were to > compile > successfully, it would not load into the running kernel. > > So... where do I go to find the right kernel headers? > > Thanks, > Jack Install the kernel-devel package, and that should get you the right headers. They'll be located in /usr/src/linux/2.6.18-1.2239.fc5/include. -- Salud, Matt matt at cfxnetworks.com Your Fortune: Well, I'm INVISIBLE AGAIN ... I might as well pay a visit to the LADIES ROOM ... From jack.delbert at gmail.com Sat May 5 12:01:38 2007 From: jack.delbert at gmail.com (Jack Smith) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 15:01:38 -0400 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] vmplayer configuration question In-Reply-To: <200705051142.16721.matt@cfxnetworks.com> References: <200705051142.16721.matt@cfxnetworks.com> Message-ID: I installed the kernel-dev package and got the right headers, but the config program was unable to build the vmmon module. I get Extracting the sources of the vmmon module. Building the vmmon module. Using 2.6.x kernel build system. make: Entering directory `/tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only' make -C /usr/src/kernels/2.6.18-1.2239.fc5-i686/include/.. SUBDIRS=$PWD SRCROOT=$PWD/. modules make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.18- 1.2239.fc5-i686' CC [M] /tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/linux/driver.o In file included from /tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:11: include/linux/kernel.h:115: warning: conflicting types for built-in function 'snprintf' include/linux/kernel.h:117: warning: conflicting types for built-in function 'vsnprintf' In file included from include/linux/string.h:21, from include/linux/bitmap.h:8, from include/linux/cpumask.h:86, from include/asm/processor.h:22, from include/asm/thread_info.h:16, from include/linux/thread_info.h:21, from include/linux/preempt.h:9, from include/linux/spinlock.h:49, from include/linux/capability.h:45, from include/linux/sched.h:44, from include/linux/module.h:9, from /tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:12: include/asm/string.h:44: warning: conflicting types for built-in function 'strncpy' include/asm/string.h:80: warning: conflicting types for built-in function 'strncat' include/asm/string.h:125: warning: conflicting types for built-in function 'strncmp' include/asm/string.h:189: warning: conflicting types for built-in function 'strlen' include/asm/string.h:326: warning: conflicting types for built-in function 'memmove' In file included from include/linux/bitmap.h:8, from include/linux/cpumask.h:86, from include/asm/processor.h:22, from include/asm/thread_info.h:16, from include/linux/thread_info.h:21, from include/linux/preempt.h:9, from include/linux/spinlock.h:49, from include/linux/capability.h:45, from include/linux/sched.h:44, from include/linux/module.h:9, from /tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:12: include/linux/string.h:76: warning: conflicting types for built-in function 'strspn' include/linux/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function 'strcspn' include/linux/string.h:95: warning: conflicting types for built-in function '__builtin_memcmp' In file included from include/asm/elf.h:52, from include/linux/elf.h:7, from include/linux/module.h:16, from /tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:12: include/asm/desc.h: In function '__set_tss_desc': include/asm/desc.h:69: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size include/asm/desc.h: In function 'set_ldt_desc': include/asm/desc.h:77: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size In file included from include/linux/irq.h:22, from include/asm/hardirq.h:5, from include/linux/hardirq.h:7, from include/linux/interrupt.h:11, from /tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:20: include/asm/irq.h:15:25: error: irq_vectors.h: No such file or directory In file included from include/asm/hardirq.h:5, from include/linux/hardirq.h:7, from include/linux/interrupt.h:11, from /tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:20: include/linux/irq.h: At top level: include/linux/irq.h:169: error: 'NR_IRQS' undeclared here (not in a function) In file included from include/linux/irq.h:182, from include/asm/hardirq.h:5, from include/linux/hardirq.h:7, from include/linux/interrupt.h:11, from /tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:20: include/asm/hw_irq.h:31: error: 'NR_IRQ_VECTORS' undeclared here (not in a function) In file included from include/linux/interrupt.h:11, from /tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:20: include/linux/hardirq.h:35:27: warning: "NR_IRQS" is not defined In file included from /tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/linux/driver.h:20, from /tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:49: /tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/./include/compat_wait.h:37:5: warning: "VMW_HAVE_EPOLL" is not defined /tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/./include/compat_wait.h:43:5: warning: "VMW_HAVE_EPOLL" is not defined In file included from /tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/linux/driver.h:20, from /tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:49: /tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/./include/compat_wait.h:60: error: conflicting types for 'poll_initwait' include/linux/poll.h:62: error: previous declaration of 'poll_initwait' was here/tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:145: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type /tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:149: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type make[2]: *** [/tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/linux/driver.o] Error 1 make[1]: *** [_module_/tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.18-1.2239.fc5-i686' make: *** [ vmmon.ko] Error 2 make: Leaving directory `/tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only' Unable to build the vmmon module. For more information on how to troubleshoot module-related problems, please visit our Web site at " http://www.vmware.com/download/modules/modules.html" and " http://www.vmware.com/support/reference/linux/prebuilt_modules_linux.html ". Execution aborted. Aaarghh. So doesn't it work in Core 5? Should I upgrade? Build the player from the tar file instead of using the rpm? Something simple and obvious (I hope) that I'm missing? Thanks everybody, Jack On 5/5/07, matt wrote: > > On Saturday 05 May 2007 09:11:26 Jack Smith wrote: > > OK, looks the the most direct way to get a windows partition running is > to > > load vmplayer and create an image at easyvmx.com . Of course, it can't > be > > that easy. I installed vmplayer using the .rpm and then ran the > configure > > program. A few prompts down, I get the message > > > > What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > > running > > kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] > > > > using the default I get > > > > The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.17-prep) does not match > your > > running kernel (version 2.6.18-1.2239.fc5 ). Even if the module were to > > compile > > successfully, it would not load into the running kernel. > > > > So... where do I go to find the right kernel headers? > > > > Thanks, > > Jack > > Install the kernel-devel package, and that should get you the right > headers. > They'll be located in /usr/src/linux/2.6.18-1.2239.fc5/include. > > -- > Salud, > Matt > matt at cfxnetworks.com > > Your Fortune: > Well, I'm INVISIBLE AGAIN ... I might as well pay a visit to the LADIES > ROOM ... > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at nblug.org > http://nblug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > -- English doesn't borrow from other languages -- English follows other languages down dark alleys and takes what it wants. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nblug.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20070505/301c303e/attachment.htm From sampln at sbcglobal.net Sat May 5 13:31:15 2007 From: sampln at sbcglobal.net (Lincoln Peters) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 13:31:15 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] vmplayer configuration question In-Reply-To: References: <200705051142.16721.matt@cfxnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200705051331.16100.sampln@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 05 May 2007 12:01, Jack Smith wrote: > Aaarghh. So doesn't it work in Core 5? Should I upgrade? Build the > player from the tar file instead of using the rpm? Something simple and > obvious (I hope) that I'm missing? My guess is that the vmmon module was written for a different version of the kernel. Usually the difference between minor releases (e.g. 2.6.x) are small, and won't break third-party modules, but sometimes they do. Probably the easiest solution is to find out what version of the Linux kernel the vmmon module was originally written for and use that, even if it's slightly older than what you're running now. Another possibility is that the Fedora kernel contains third-party patches that breaks something in vmmon. If that's the case, you might have to build a custom kernel, and that has a much steeper learning curve than typing in "rpm -U kernel". Hopefully it won't come to that. -- Lincoln Peters A classic is something that everyone wants to have read and nobody wants to read. -- Mark Twain, "The Disappearance of Literature" From jack.delbert at gmail.com Sun May 6 12:03:19 2007 From: jack.delbert at gmail.com (Jack Smith) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 15:03:19 -0400 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] vmplayer configuration question In-Reply-To: <200705051331.16100.sampln@sbcglobal.net> References: <200705051142.16721.matt@cfxnetworks.com> <200705051331.16100.sampln@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: OK. Turns out it wasn't (or may not have been) a problem with the vmmon module at all. I eventually gave up trying to make the patch for the module work and upgraded from Core5 to 6; figuring that the modules would be easier to find. No luck. What turned out to be the problem was a slight difference between the kernel and kernel-devel [root at natsumi ~]# rpm -qa --queryformat "%{NAME}-%{VERSION}-%{RELEASE}.%{ARCH}\n" | grep kernel | sort kernel-2.6.18-1.2798.fc6.x86_64 kernel-devel-2.6.18-1.2798.fc6.i686 kernel-headers-2.6.18-1.2798.fc6.x86_64 After removing the i686 kernel-devel and installing the x86-64, the config program worked. Windows is happily installing from a copy of Windows XP Home that I bought about a year ago by mistake and all is well with the world. Well, all will be well if I can run the software I did all of this for.. Thanks everybody, for your help, Jack On 5/5/07, Lincoln Peters < sampln at sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > On Saturday 05 May 2007 12:01, Jack Smith wrote: > > Aaarghh. So doesn't it work in Core 5? Should I upgrade? Build the > > player from the tar file instead of using the rpm? Something simple and > > obvious (I hope) that I'm missing? > > My guess is that the vmmon module was written for a different version of > the > kernel. Usually the difference between minor releases (e.g. 2.6.x) are > small, and won't break third-party modules, but sometimes they do. > > Probably the easiest solution is to find out what version of the Linux > kernel > the vmmon module was originally written for and use that, even if it's > slightly older than what you're running now. > > > Another possibility is that the Fedora kernel contains third-party patches > that breaks something in vmmon. If that's the case, you might have to > build > a custom kernel, and that has a much steeper learning curve than typing in > "rpm -U kernel". Hopefully it won't come to that. > > > -- > Lincoln Peters < sampln at sbcglobal.net> > > A classic is something that everyone wants to have read > and nobody wants to read. > -- Mark Twain, "The Disappearance of Literature" > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at nblug.org > http://nblug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > -- English doesn't borrow from other languages -- English follows other languages down dark alleys and takes what it wants. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nblug.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20070506/85dc20a2/attachment.htm From nbs at sonic.net Tue May 8 06:51:42 2007 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:51:42 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Volunteers needed for LUGOD's booth at Whole Earth Festival this weekend (May 11th-13th @ UC Davis) Message-ID: <20070508135142.GE9919@sonic.net> The Linux Users' Group of Davis will have a table at this year's Whole Earth Festival at UC Davis [1] this weekend, Friday May 11th through Sunday May 13th. http://www.lugod.org/projects/wef/ LUGOD needs additional volunteers to help make this a successful event! We need help burning CDROMs for give-aways at the event [2], and people to help staff our booth and talk to visitors. If you can help, please contact Nick Schmalenberger at nick at schmalenberger.us, or post a message to LUGOD's "vox-outreach" mailing list [3]. Thank you! -bill! pr at lugod.org http://www.lugod.org/ Linux Users' Group of Davis [1] Official Whole Earth Festival page: http://wef.ucdavis.edu/ ), [2] Help burn CDs for LUGOD: http://www.lugod.ort/cdburns/ [3] Info about LUGOD's "vox-outreach" mailing list: http://www.lugod.org/mailinglists/#vox-outreach From peter3 at kefir.p-lutz.net Sat May 12 08:30:22 2007 From: peter3 at kefir.p-lutz.net (Peter Lutz) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 08:30:22 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Which Distro? Message-ID: <20070512153022.GA20803@kefir.p-lutz.net> Good Morning. I'm trying to decide between Ubuntu and Debian for a new AMD64 X2 Athlon system. I've gotten Ubuntu installed, but it very quickly broke when I tried to change a setting in Gnome and metacity disappeared. A kludge fixed it, because I couldn't find where metacity is supposed to start in the gdm startup series. I tried to get a movie player going with some success. I can play give-away DVDs, an old movie, but new movies give me strange green blocks (with about half an hour of messing around). So there are some issues with Ubuntu, or perhaps 64 bits in general. I don't get as far with Debian. A net install does not produce a working X window system. That was true for Ubuntu also, but the 2.6.20 kernel on Ubuntu patched well with the nVidia patch for my new 8500GT video card. This looks like a problem for Debian, as the kernel sources for their 2.6.18 kernel don't seem to support a card this new. Perhaps I'll just need a new kernel entirely. The Ubuntu forums are not very high level, but the Debian mailing lists are a bit difficult to navigate. I currently have running two headless Ubuntu servers, an Ubuntu 6.06LTS workstation and a Debian Unstable workstation. I have used Slackware and Red Hat in the distant past, so I'm not new to Linux, just slow. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Peter From 707mjanes at comcast.net Sat May 12 16:47:06 2007 From: 707mjanes at comcast.net (Mark Janes) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 16:47:06 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Which Distro? In-Reply-To: <20070512153022.GA20803@kefir.p-lutz.net> References: <20070512153022.GA20803@kefir.p-lutz.net> Message-ID: <464651FA.80104@comcast.net> Peter Lutz wrote: > Good Morning. > > I'm trying to decide between Ubuntu and Debian for a new > AMD64 X2 Athlon system. I've gotten Ubuntu installed, but > it very quickly broke when I tried to change a setting in > Gnome and metacity disappeared. A kludge fixed it, because > I couldn't find where metacity is supposed to start in the > gdm startup series. I tried to get a movie player going > with some success. I can play give-away DVDs, an old movie, > but new movies give me strange green blocks (with about half > an hour of messing around). So there are some issues with > Ubuntu, or perhaps 64 bits in general. > While SuSE seems to be the best distro for my Intel-based 64-bit system (a conclusion I came to after trying several, including Ubuntu, Redhat, Slackware and Debian) that might be due to the fact that I'm so used to it. I've discovered that many applications have yet to be recompiled for 64-bit machines and the ones that are often are for slightly older versions of the distro (e.g., Jahshaka, a video-editing program, only has a precompiled package for SUSE 10.1, though the lastest release version of openSuSE is 10.3). As for the playing of DVDs, you might look to see that the necessary libraries are 64-bit; even then it might still cause problems. I can play almost any movie in mplayer, but the output at fullscreen only fills about one-third of the screen. > I don't get as far with Debian. A net install does not > produce a working X window system. That was true for > Ubuntu also, but the 2.6.20 kernel on Ubuntu patched well > with the nVidia patch for my new 8500GT video card. This > looks like a problem for Debian, as the kernel sources for > their 2.6.18 kernel don't seem to support a card this new. > Perhaps I'll just need a new kernel entirely. If possible you might try a CD/DVD install. Even that might fail you: I tried to install Redhat, and it insisted on display settings which were out of range for my monitor. I tried several times to get it to work but I finally gave up and tested another distro. > > > The Ubuntu forums are not very high level, but the Debian > mailing lists are a bit difficult to navigate. > > I currently have running two headless Ubuntu servers, an > Ubuntu 6.06LTS workstation and a Debian Unstable workstation. > I have used Slackware and Red Hat in the distant past, so > I'm not new to Linux, just slow. > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at nblug.org > http://nblug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > > IIWY, I'd get some CD or DVD rewritable disks and download various distros, starting with those which explicitly have 64-bit versions, then moving on to others such as Slackware if you have no luck with the aforementioned 64-bit distros. Also, try typing into google the term "hacking " and see where that leads. In the case of OpenSuSE, there are several articles that can tell you how to get a lot of multimedia stuff working, including some possible help with nVidia cards. Hope this helps ;) Mark Janes -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 249 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://nblug.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20070512/67a05d74/attachment.pgp From matt at cfxnetworks.com Sun May 13 00:26:54 2007 From: matt at cfxnetworks.com (matt) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 00:26:54 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Which Distro? In-Reply-To: <464651FA.80104@comcast.net> References: <20070512153022.GA20803@kefir.p-lutz.net> <464651FA.80104@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200705130026.54952.matt@cfxnetworks.com> On Saturday 12 May 2007 16:47:06 Mark Janes wrote: > Peter Lutz wrote: > > Good Morning. > > > > I'm trying to decide between Ubuntu and Debian for a new > > AMD64 X2 Athlon system. I've gotten Ubuntu installed, but > > it very quickly broke when I tried to change a setting in > > Gnome and metacity disappeared. A kludge fixed it, because > > I couldn't find where metacity is supposed to start in the > > gdm startup series. I tried to get a movie player going > > with some success. I can play give-away DVDs, an old movie, > > but new movies give me strange green blocks (with about half > > an hour of messing around). So there are some issues with > > Ubuntu, or perhaps 64 bits in general. > > While SuSE seems to be the best distro for my Intel-based 64-bit system > (a conclusion I came to after trying several, including Ubuntu, Redhat, > Slackware and Debian) that might be due to the fact that I'm so used to > it. I've discovered that many applications have yet to be recompiled for > 64-bit machines and the ones that are often are for slightly older > versions of the distro (e.g., Jahshaka, a video-editing program, only > has a precompiled package for SUSE 10.1, though the lastest release > version of openSuSE is 10.3). As for the playing of DVDs, you might look > to see that the necessary libraries are 64-bit; even then it might still > cause problems. I can play almost any movie in mplayer, but the output > at fullscreen only fills about one-third of the screen. > > > I don't get as far with Debian. A net install does not > > produce a working X window system. That was true for > > Ubuntu also, but the 2.6.20 kernel on Ubuntu patched well > > with the nVidia patch for my new 8500GT video card. This > > looks like a problem for Debian, as the kernel sources for > > their 2.6.18 kernel don't seem to support a card this new. > > Perhaps I'll just need a new kernel entirely. > > If possible you might try a CD/DVD install. Even that might fail you: I > tried to install Redhat, and it insisted on display settings which were > out of range for my monitor. I tried several times to get it to work but > I finally gave up and tested another distro. > > > The Ubuntu forums are not very high level, but the Debian > > mailing lists are a bit difficult to navigate. > > > > I currently have running two headless Ubuntu servers, an > > Ubuntu 6.06LTS workstation and a Debian Unstable workstation. > > I have used Slackware and Red Hat in the distant past, so > > I'm not new to Linux, just slow. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Peter > > > > _______________________________________________ > > talk mailing list > > talk at nblug.org > > http://nblug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > > IIWY, I'd get some CD or DVD rewritable disks and download various > distros, starting with those which explicitly have 64-bit versions, then > moving on to others such as Slackware if you have no luck with the > aforementioned 64-bit distros. Also, try typing into google the term > "hacking " and see where that leads. In the case of > OpenSuSE, there are several articles that can tell you how to get a lot > of multimedia stuff working, including some possible help with nVidia > cards. > > Hope this helps ;) > > Mark Janes I'd personally recommend Kubuntu. It uses KDE over Gnome, and as a side effect, also uses Xine rather than Gstreamer for media (a good thing). To get all of your multimedia working, install the Mediabuntu repository (search Google for it), and then open up `adept_manager` and install "libxine1-ffmpeg", "w32codecs", and "libdvdcss2" for all of your multimedia needs. DVDs should play flawlessly in Kaffeine, and you won't ever have any problems with KWin (KDE's equivalent to Metacity) disappearing. Oh, and the people in #kubuntu and #kde are extremely nice if you ever need help. -- Salud, Matt matt at cfxnetworks.com Your Fortune: Overfiend - BTW, after we've discovered X takes all of 1.4 GIGS to build, are you willing admit that X is bloatware? => KB: there is a 16 1/2 minute gap in my answer knghtbrd: evidence exists that X is only the *2nd* worst windowing system ;) From augie.schwer at gmail.com Sun May 13 09:04:30 2007 From: augie.schwer at gmail.com (Augie Schwer) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 09:04:30 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] OT: System Administrator Position in Santa Rosa Message-ID: <192e943c0705130904q28c98ed2u459526e71423abed@mail.gmail.com> FYI: Sonic.net is looking for System Administrators. http://sonic.net/jobs/unix_sys_admin.shtml Description: Sonic.net is seeking an UNIX Systems Administrator to join our team. We maintain a large scale heterogeneous environment of Linux, FreeBSD and OpenBSD systems. There will be quite a bit of out of the box thinking, problem resolution and solid methodical troubleshooting of various systems, including OS, hardware and or network related issues. Primary Responsibilities: * Routine server tuning, maintenance, trouble-shooting and deployment. * Deployment of new services and features. * Create tools to automate daily tasks. * Participate in after-hours on-call rotation. Job Qualifications: * Hands on UNIX systems administration experience for Linux and BSD variants. * Experience supporting 24/7 high availability production services. * In depth knowledge of common protocols like SMTP, POP, IMAP, DNS, FTP and HTTP. * In depth knowledge troubleshooting common x86 server hardware. * Proven programming and/or scripting experience (perl, php, c and shell). * Experience with network troubleshooting, design, security and management a plus. * Should be self motivated and able to meet goals with little oversight. Other Requirements: * Monday through Friday, 9am - 6pm * On-call rotation Benefits: * Health Plans * Dental Plan * Educational Benefits * 401(k) * High Speed Internet Access * Casual work environment How to Apply: Submit resume in plain text format, with no attachments to sysadmin at sonic.net . -- Augie Schwer - Augie at Schwer.us - http://schwer.us Key fingerprint = 9815 AE19 AFD1 1FE7 5DEE 2AC3 CB99 2784 27B0 C072 From gandalf at sonic.net Mon May 14 17:00:47 2007 From: gandalf at sonic.net (Walter Hansen) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 17:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NBLUG/talk] [Fwd: [tlug] LETTER FROM LINSPIRE FOUNDER] Message-ID: <23220.64.142.38.232.1179187247.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> From augie.schwer at gmail.com Mon May 14 21:13:36 2007 From: augie.schwer at gmail.com (Augie Schwer) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:13:36 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] OT: System Administrator Position in Santa Rosa In-Reply-To: <192e943c0705130904q28c98ed2u459526e71423abed@mail.gmail.com> References: <192e943c0705130904q28c98ed2u459526e71423abed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <192e943c0705142113h49b2aa3an7e5bbb7e94c56989@mail.gmail.com> On 5/13/07, Augie Schwer wrote: > FYI: Sonic.net is looking for System Administrators. Correction; we have split the position in to two positions: http://sonic.net/jobs/linux_jrsys_admin.shtml and http://sonic.net/jobs/linux_sys_admin.shtml -- Augie Schwer - Augie at Schwer.us - http://schwer.us Key fingerprint = 9815 AE19 AFD1 1FE7 5DEE 2AC3 CB99 2784 27B0 C072 From scott at ponzo.net Mon May 14 18:09:55 2007 From: scott at ponzo.net (Scott Doty) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:09:55 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] The Microsloth creature rises from the crypt, it is: "Son of SCO"! Message-ID: <20070515010955.GB16922@ponzo.net> Stay tuned for extra innings in the "Microsoft vs. the Free World" campaign...Bwahahahhahahahaha http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2007051401826OSMSLL Entitled: ''Looks Like Microsoft is Ramping Up for Son of SCO'' From the Microsoft-as-unholy-Frankenstein-monster department: "Heya, 'Vista', aren't you due back at the lab to get your bolts tightened?" Cheers, -Scott From plutz at sonic.net Tue May 15 11:34:35 2007 From: plutz at sonic.net (Peter Lutz) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:34:35 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Which Distro, again. Message-ID: <4649FD3B.3000509@sonic.net> Well, I'm going to work in parallel on Ubuntu and Debian. My gut feeling is that Debian is at about the right level, but so far it won't work with my GeForce 8500XT video card. I get an 80x25 terminal, which I'm very familiar with, but it's not what I'm looking for on this box. Ubuntu does present a pretty picture at 1600X1200. Ubuntu kernel is 2.6.20 and Debian is 2.6.18, so now I'm building a new Debian kernel. It doesn't work yet, as there are two copies of grub on here and booting is getting confused. I think mkinitrd got some thing wrong the way I ran it. Thank you for your comments. Peter From jack.delbert at gmail.com Mon May 14 14:54:07 2007 From: jack.delbert at gmail.com (Jack Smith) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 17:54:07 -0400 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Invalid IFO for VMGM fixed Message-ID: Darned if I know what happened. I ran mplayer against my region 1 drive and it worked. Then, for no particular reason, I re-ran it against my region 2 drive and that worked too. Just to drive us all nuts I guess. Thanks, Jack -- English doesn't borrow from other languages -- English follows other languages down dark alleys and takes what it wants. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now I get > > libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. > libdvdread: Invalid IFO for VMGM (VIDEO_TS.IFO). > > Fixed the first one by installing libdvdcss but the second message remains. > Everything I can find claims the region code hasn't been set, but it has. > Any ideas? > > PS. xine doesn't work either, assuming I'm doing it right. It's error > message is > > No input plugin available to handle "dvd:/". > Maybe MRL syntax is wrong or file/stream source doesn't exist. > > Thanks, > Jack > > -- > English doesn't borrow from other languages -- English follows other > languages down dark alleys and takes what it wants. > -- > *** Sent from linux-users at lugwash.org *** http://www.lugwash.org > to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail linux-users-request at lugwash.org` From jack.delbert at gmail.com Mon May 14 10:43:41 2007 From: jack.delbert at gmail.com (Jack Smith) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:43:41 -0400 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Playing DVDs Message-ID: How do I play an ordinary perfectly legal correct region DVD on Fedora Core 6? Works fine on my DVD player hooked up to my television. mplayer gives these messages Encrypted VOB file! Read DOCS/HTML/en/cd- dvd.html. FATAL: Could not initialize video filters (-vf) or video output (-vo). OK, mplayer says I need to set a region code on my DVD drive so I use regionset to do this. I can play region 1 DVDs on my TV so I set it for region 2. Now I get libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. libdvdread: Invalid IFO for VMGM (VIDEO_TS.IFO). Fixed the first one by installing libdvdcss but the second message remains. Everything I can find claims the region code hasn't been set, but it has. Any ideas? PS. xine doesn't work either, assuming I'm doing it right. It's error message is No input plugin available to handle "dvd:/". Maybe MRL syntax is wrong or file/stream source doesn't exist. Thanks, Jack -- English doesn't borrow from other languages -- English follows other languages down dark alleys and takes what it wants. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nblug.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20070514/f486c3e1/attachment.htm From gandalf at sonic.net Wed May 16 12:28:34 2007 From: gandalf at sonic.net (Walter Hansen) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 12:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Linus responds to M$ Message-ID: <13432.64.142.38.232.1179343714.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199600443 -- This would be real cute NSFW tagline, but I'm married and would get killed. From timp at sonic.net Wed May 16 21:29:01 2007 From: timp at sonic.net (Tim Preston) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 21:29:01 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Linus responds to M$ In-Reply-To: <13432.64.142.38.232.1179343714.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> References: <13432.64.142.38.232.1179343714.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Message-ID: <464BDA0D.4070708@sonic.net> Without offering praise to the person let me say, "this is the person who has made millions, nay billions by wordsmithing around many rules or patents until he had enough money and power to quiet the complaints..." Walter Hansen wrote: > http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199600443 > > From list-nblug-talk at rangat.org Thu May 17 09:19:57 2007 From: list-nblug-talk at rangat.org (Robert P. Thille) Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 09:19:57 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Linus responds to M$ In-Reply-To: <464BDA0D.4070708@sonic.net> References: <13432.64.142.38.232.1179343714.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <464BDA0D.4070708@sonic.net> Message-ID: <99504845-4B7D-40C8-B2B0-9854DD996C0D@rangat.org> On May 16, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Tim Preston wrote: > Without offering praise to the person let me say, "this is the person > who has made millions, nay billions by wordsmithing around many > rules or > patents until he had enough money and power to quiet the > complaints..." I don't understand. Which "the person" are you talking about? I couldn't find your quoted text anywhere, and it's not clear to me about whom you are speaking. I certainly don't think Linus has made billions by wordsmithing, and the article doesn't even mention Bill G., who is the only person I can see where the quote applies. Robert -- Robert Thille 7575 Meadowlark Dr.; Sebastopol, CA 95472 Home: 707.824.9753 Office/VOIP: 707.780.1560 Cell: 707.217.7544 Robert.Thille at rangat.org YIM:rthille http://www.rangat.org/rthille Cyclist, Mountain Biker, Freediver, Kayaker, Rock Climber, Hiker, Geek May your spirit dive deep the blue, where the fish are many and large! From jack.delbert at gmail.com Thu May 17 09:40:03 2007 From: jack.delbert at gmail.com (Jack Smith) Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 12:40:03 -0400 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Linus responds to M$ In-Reply-To: <99504845-4B7D-40C8-B2B0-9854DD996C0D@rangat.org> References: <13432.64.142.38.232.1179343714.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <464BDA0D.4070708@sonic.net> <99504845-4B7D-40C8-B2B0-9854DD996C0D@rangat.org> Message-ID: On 5/17/07, Robert P. Thille wrote: > > > On May 16, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Tim Preston wrote: > > > Without offering praise to the person let me say, "this is the person > > who has made millions, nay billions by wordsmithing around many > > rules or > > patents until he had enough money and power to quiet the > > complaints..." > > I don't understand. Which "the person" are you talking about? I > couldn't find your quoted text anywhere, and it's not clear to me > about whom you are speaking. I certainly don't think Linus has made > billions by wordsmithing, and the article doesn't even mention Bill > G., who is the only person I can see where the quote applies. > > Robert > From matt at cfxnetworks.com Thu May 17 10:41:06 2007 From: matt at cfxnetworks.com (matt) Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:41:06 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Linus responds to M$ In-Reply-To: References: <13432.64.142.38.232.1179343714.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <99504845-4B7D-40C8-B2B0-9854DD996C0D@rangat.org> Message-ID: <200705171041.07254.matt@cfxnetworks.com> On Thursday 17 May 2007 09:40:03 Jack Smith wrote: > On 5/17/07, Robert P. Thille wrote: > > On May 16, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Tim Preston wrote: > > > Without offering praise to the person let me say, "this is the person > > > who has made millions, nay billions by wordsmithing around many > > > rules or > > > patents until he had enough money and power to quiet the > > > complaints..." > > > > I don't understand. Which "the person" are you talking about? I > > couldn't find your quoted text anywhere, and it's not clear to me > > about whom you are speaking. I certainly don't think Linus has made > > billions by wordsmithing, and the article doesn't even mention Bill > > G., who is the only person I can see where the quote applies. > > > > Robert > > > > > >From context and title, I would asume it to be something Linus has said > > about Bill... But I can't find the quote either. > Jack Uh... I have a feeling that wasn't literally a quote. Many people use quotation marks to represent figurative speech in text (or to create certain tones). -- Salud, Matt matt at cfxnetworks.com Your Fortune: 4.2 BSD UNIX #57: Sun Jun 1 23:02:07 EDT 1986 You swing at the Sun. You miss. The Sun swings. He hits you with a 575MB disk! You read the 575MB disk. It is written in an alien tongue and cannot be read by your tired Sun-2 eyes. You throw the 575MB disk at the Sun. You hit! The Sun must repair your eyes. The Sun reads a scroll. He hits your 130MB disk! He has defeated the 130MB disk! The Sun reads a scroll. He hits your Ethernet board! He has defeated your Ethernet board! You read a scroll of "postpone until Monday at 9 AM". Everything goes dark... -- /etc/motd, cbosgd From timp at sonic.net Thu May 17 20:38:01 2007 From: timp at sonic.net (Tim Preston) Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 20:38:01 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Linus responds to M$ In-Reply-To: <200705171041.07254.matt@cfxnetworks.com> References: <13432.64.142.38.232.1179343714.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <99504845-4B7D-40C8-B2B0-9854DD996C0D@rangat.org> <200705171041.07254.matt@cfxnetworks.com> Message-ID: <464D1F99.7070908@sonic.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nblug.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20070517/00e3126d/attachment.htm From afishionado at gmail.com Thu May 17 21:46:36 2007 From: afishionado at gmail.com (William Tracy) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 04:46:36 +0000 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Linus responds to M$ In-Reply-To: <464D1F99.7070908@sonic.net> References: <13432.64.142.38.232.1179343714.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <99504845-4B7D-40C8-B2B0-9854DD996C0D@rangat.org> <200705171041.07254.matt@cfxnetworks.com> <464D1F99.7070908@sonic.net> Message-ID: I had a job interview with a Microsoft representative today. Inside of Second Life. http://networkinworld.jobs/ I didn't tell them that I was using the Second Life Linux client for the interview. :-D ... I'm *so* going to hell ... -- William Tracy afishionado at gmail.com -- wtracy at calpoly.edu "Whatever the missing mass of the universe is, I hope it's not cockroaches!" -- Mom From waggie at waggie.net Thu May 17 22:14:39 2007 From: waggie at waggie.net (Chris Wagner) Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 22:14:39 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Linus responds to M$ In-Reply-To: References: <13432.64.142.38.232.1179343714.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <99504845-4B7D-40C8-B2B0-9854DD996C0D@rangat.org> <200705171041.07254.matt@cfxnetworks.com> <464D1F99.7070908@sonic.net> Message-ID: <464D363F.2000403@waggie.net> But didn't you know, there's good looking , parties, and such in hell? Oh wait, that was the marketing material, nevermind. - Chris William Tracy wrote: > I had a job interview with a Microsoft representative today. > > Inside of Second Life. http://networkinworld.jobs/ > > I didn't tell them that I was using the Second Life Linux client for > the interview. :-D > > ... I'm *so* going to hell ... > > From sampln at sbcglobal.net Thu May 17 22:19:14 2007 From: sampln at sbcglobal.net (Lincoln Peters) Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 22:19:14 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Linus responds to M$ In-Reply-To: References: <13432.64.142.38.232.1179343714.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <464D1F99.7070908@sonic.net> Message-ID: <200705172219.14770.sampln@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 17 May 2007 21:46, William Tracy wrote: > I had a job interview with a Microsoft representative today. > > Inside of Second Life. http://networkinworld.jobs/ > > I didn't tell them that I was using the Second Life Linux client for > the interview. :-D Did Microsoft need to know about that? I don't think so. On the other hand, I *am* a little disturbed that you might go to work for Microsoft... -- Lincoln Peters On the Internet, no one knows you're using Windows NT -- Submitted by Ramiro Estrugo, restrugo at fateware.com From afishionado at gmail.com Thu May 17 23:07:19 2007 From: afishionado at gmail.com (William Tracy) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 06:07:19 +0000 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Linus responds to M$ In-Reply-To: <200705172219.14770.sampln@sbcglobal.net> References: <13432.64.142.38.232.1179343714.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <464D1F99.7070908@sonic.net> <200705172219.14770.sampln@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On 5/18/07, Lincoln Peters wrote: > On the other hand, I *am* a little disturbed that you might go to work for > Microsoft... I don't think that I could have a career at Microsoft and stay sane. O_o I *might* take a summer internship there if I run out of other options. (Though, last month at CPLUG we got a presentation from an employee at Microsoft's Open Source Software Lab. Best line: "Our job is to make Microsoft cry.") Actually, my chances for an internship with VMware this summer are starting to look good. Now that would be *awesome*! :-) > Lincoln Peters > > On the Internet, no one knows you're using Windows NT > -- Submitted by Ramiro Estrugo, restrugo at fateware.com Or that you're using Linux, natch. :-) -- William Tracy afishionado at gmail.com -- wtracy at calpoly.edu "Whatever the missing mass of the universe is, I hope it's not cockroaches!" -- Mom From afishionado at gmail.com Thu May 17 23:18:54 2007 From: afishionado at gmail.com (William Tracy) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 06:18:54 +0000 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Linus responds to M$ In-Reply-To: References: <13432.64.142.38.232.1179343714.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <464D1F99.7070908@sonic.net> <200705172219.14770.sampln@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: I just realized something. The archives for this list are web-accessible, and therefore Google-able. If the Microsoft HR staff does a search on my name/email, they could find these posts. Um, this could get interesting. :-) -- William Tracy afishionado at gmail.com -- wtracy at calpoly.edu "Whatever the missing mass of the universe is, I hope it's not cockroaches!" -- Mom From dhodul at hotmail.com Fri May 18 12:47:39 2007 From: dhodul at hotmail.com (Dan Hodul, III) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:47:39 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Linus responds to M$ References: <13432.64.142.38.232.1179343714.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <464BDA0D.4070708@sonic.net> Message-ID: The need for an opensource operationg system stems from the greed of Microsoft patents that make computing a "black box" of unpredictable outcome, all to the greater glory (and wealth) of Microsoft's patent holder --guess who? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Preston" To: "General NBLUG chatter about anything Linux, answers to questions,etc." Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [NBLUG/talk] Linus responds to M$ > Without offering praise to the person let me say, "this is the person > who has made millions, nay billions by wordsmithing around many rules or > patents until he had enough money and power to quiet the complaints..." > > Walter Hansen wrote: >> http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199600443 >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at nblug.org > http://nblug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > From 707mjanes at comcast.net Fri May 18 16:57:48 2007 From: 707mjanes at comcast.net (Mark Janes) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:57:48 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Linus responds to M$ Message-ID: <464E3D7C.7060104@comcast.net> Hello, While M$ is simply too big to ignore, Gates and his minions are not the omniscient beings they try to portray themselves as being. Way back when, Bill Himself couldn't imagine why anyone would ever need a hard drive bigger than 640 Mb; today's digital cameras typically have bigger flash drives and you can't buy a new hard drive smaller than about 80 Gb. In addition, I believe that their penchant for secrecy will trump their hatred of Open Source because to reveal which patents are infringing and how would almost certainly mean divulging- at least indirectly- some of their source code to someone who isn't a M$ employee. As we've all seen, once a piece of code gets posted online, it's practically impossible to totally eliminate, as anyone who's gone looking for code such as deCSS can readily attest. I believe the threat of lawsuits is more about keeping big IT companies skittish about the legality of Linux and other Open Source products in a bid to dry up interest at the corporate level than it is about genuine infringement on anything M$ has truly developed on its own. Come to think of it, what HAS M$ ever truly invented, as opposed to co-opting? Also, the courts are finally turning their attention to the lax standards under which the Patent Office has operated over the past few years, and M$ might find the patent rug pulled out from under them if it could be demonstrated that their patents cover 'obvious' developments as opposed to true innovation. It's entirely possible, though, that M$ might simply be too preoccupied with stamping out all competition that they'll go ahead and start filing lawsuits regardless of the consequences. Finally, they may feel that this is their last chance to go after Linux and Open Source- while the Bush regime is still in power- before a more robust Justice Department puts their practices under closer scrutiny. We'll see in the next few months. Mark Janes -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Google away for lots of references to this, none which *prove* it to be true. And whether Bill said this or not, it's been so oft repeated now it's become one of those "facts by repetition" things which become "true" by their very existence. This, of course, does not make them true. By the by, I'm completely willing to admit I'm wrong on this in the face of legitimate, credible evidence. OK, back to bashing the innovation-pit which is Microsoft... -- John Nouveaux Seen on a T-shirt: So Few Men, So Few Who Can Afford Me From 707mjanes at comcast.net Sat May 19 11:30:09 2007 From: 707mjanes at comcast.net (Mark Janes) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:30:09 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Linus responds to M$ In-Reply-To: References: <464E3D7C.7060104@comcast.net> Message-ID: <464F4231.8010105@comcast.net> John Nouveaux wrote: > At 4:57 PM -0700 5/18/07, Mark Janes wrote: > >> While M$ is simply too big to ignore, Gates and his minions are not the >> omniscient beings they try to portray themselves as being. Way back >> when, Bill Himself couldn't imagine why anyone would ever need a hard >> drive bigger than 640 Mb; >> > > At the risk of being pedantic... > > The figure was 640 *KB* and... > I stand corrected. Also a bit embarrassed as it reveals my failing memory... > There is *no* credible documented evidence of which I'm aware proving > Bill Gates having ever said this and, in fact, when questioned > directly Bill denies ever having said it. > Naturally. How many of remember every prediction we made 27 years ago? Although, this particular misquote certainly has taken on a life of its own, and not just with Linux users. > Google away for lots of references to this, none which *prove* it to be true. > Did that. Found this at http://www.sciencenetlinks.com/sci_update.cfm?DocID=206 : "In 1981 Bill Gates said "640 kilobytes [of hard drive memory] ought to be enough for anyone."" In fairness this was a time when individual bytes still mattered, years before the mass digitizing of audio or video. > And whether Bill said this or not, it's been so oft repeated now it's > become one of those "facts by repetition" things which become "true" > by their very existence. This, of course, does not make them true. > > By the by, I'm completely willing to admit I'm wrong on this in the > face of legitimate, credible evidence. > You're right. Repetition only makes something factual in the political arena (Take a lie, make it big, repeat it often...), not in any scientific endeavor. Thank you for bringing this misquote to light. > OK, back to bashing the innovation-pit which is Microsoft... > I seem to have gotten away from the initial subject of this thread- Linus Torvalds' response to M$ claims on the kernel and other Open Source applications, and for that I humbly apologize. To me M$' claims sound a lot like those of a plaintiff's attorney talking about a lawsuit when the evidence is weak or nonexistent: a lot of vague innuendo with few or no specifics. Usually when a truly strong case exists the prosecutor or plaintiff will put out at least a few specifics. Torvalds, as far as I've been able to find out, categorically denies any infringement. Should be interesting to see if M$ can make a legitimate case, especially in non-US courts. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 249 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://nblug.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20070519/f527cd22/attachment.pgp From rhayes at silcom.com Sat May 19 13:46:20 2007 From: rhayes at silcom.com (Robert Hayes) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 13:46:20 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] php5 apache2 WON'T DIE Message-ID: <200705191346.20785.rhayes@silcom.com> I got stuck in an upgrade wormhole and ended up finding that php5 has bugs that won't allow egroupware to run properly. I'm running knoppix. I removed apache2, and php5, installed apache (1.3) and php4, and php5 and apache2 keep coming up. I've ripped the directories out by the roots manually from a console. They still keep coming up. Years ago I went on vacation for a week and left my VW parked next to some kudzu vine. When I came home six days later the kudzu had crawled up the tires, over the fenders and the two sides were weaving together across the hood. That was funny. This isn't. Any guidance, please. TIA Bob From sms at sonic.net Sat May 19 15:10:08 2007 From: sms at sonic.net (S. Saunders) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 15:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Linus responds to M$ In-Reply-To: <464F4231.8010105@comcast.net> References: <464E3D7C.7060104@comcast.net> <464F4231.8010105@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8495.67.180.50.37.1179612608.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> On Sat, May 19, 2007 11:30, Mark Janes wrote: > > The figure was 640 *KB* and... > > I stand corrected. Also a bit embarrassed as it reveals my failing > memory... > > > There is *no* credible documented evidence of which I'm aware > > proving Bill Gates having ever said this and, in fact, when > > questioned directly Bill denies ever having said it. > > Naturally. How many of remember every prediction we made > 27 years ago? > http://www.sciencenetlinks.com/sci_update.cfm?DocID=206 : > > "In 1981 Bill Gates said "640 kilobytes [of hard drive memory] ought to > be enough for anyone."" My own .02 -- I was at Univ.Calif. Santa Cruz, hanging with some CompSci Jr's and Sr's. One of 'em had a brand new IBM PC. Not AT, not XT, but an original PC. We read the S/N and it seemed to be number 500some off the assembly line... 000507? 000506? Something like that... 128K of RAM, as I recall, expandable to a whopping 640K on the motherboard. My recollection is that the "nobody will ever need more than" referred to 640K of *RAM*(not disk). In that context, I had presumed the notion came from the salesman at the store (presumably, originating somewhere high up within either MS or IBM marketting)... although I admit that the consensus of the CompSci students was that for a *personal* computer, 640K would certainly be more than any lone programmer could use for one program. Now, all of this *is* from memory -- no diary or letter home that I can go back to cite for fresh details. But my memory for that sort of thing is pretty good. - Steve S. From eric at nblug.org Sat May 19 15:44:31 2007 From: eric at nblug.org (Eric Eisenhart) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 15:44:31 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] php5 apache2 WON'T DIE In-Reply-To: <200705191346.20785.rhayes@silcom.com> References: <200705191346.20785.rhayes@silcom.com> Message-ID: <20070519224431.GA24410@atlantic.devin.com> On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 01:46:20PM -0700, Robert Hayes wrote: > I removed apache2, and php5, installed apache (1.3) and php4, and php5 and > apache2 keep coming up. > > I've ripped the directories out by the roots manually from a console. They > still keep coming up. > > Years ago I went on vacation for a week and left my VW parked next to some > kudzu vine. When I came home six days later the kudzu had crawled up the > tires, over the fenders and the two sides were weaving together across the > hood. > > That was funny. This isn't. > > Any guidance, please. lsof. Specifically, look for the process id of the process that you don't want, and run something like "lsof -p 317". One of the very first things listed will be the executable that it ran from, followed by lots of libraries (and other dynamically loaded objects, aka ".so files"). Another thing to try. Get the process ID again. Usually there's one httpd/apache process running as root and the rest as "apache" or "http" or "www-data" -- for the lsof thing it didn't matter which you got, for this you really need the one that's running as root. "strace -p 317" Then in another console, "kill -HUP 317" This will tell the apache process to reload its configuration, which will naturally involve loading all the configuration files. And, of course, "ps auxfw" is handy for this kind of thing. You didn't mention which distro you're using, but I would definitely recommend using the information you gather from the above to find out which package has the files causing you the problems, and tell the package management system to remove those packages... Try working with your package management system before ripping things out manually, or you risk leaving roots that will sprout again and you'll never get the kudzu out of your engine compartment. -- Eric Eisenhart NBLUG Co-Founder The North Bay Linux Users Group -- http://nblug.org/ eric at nblug.org, IRC: Freiheit at fn AIM: falschfreiheit Jabber/XMPP/GTalk: freiheit at gmail.com From afishionado at gmail.com Sat May 19 16:15:17 2007 From: afishionado at gmail.com (William Tracy) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 23:15:17 +0000 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Linus responds to M$ In-Reply-To: <8495.67.180.50.37.1179612608.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> References: <464E3D7C.7060104@comcast.net> <464F4231.8010105@comcast.net> <8495.67.180.50.37.1179612608.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Message-ID: *Maybe* the original source of the 640k comment? http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/media/1989%20Bill%20Gates%20Talk%20on%20Microsoft.html http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=228031&cid=18475347 If so, he was grossly misquoted. :-P -- William Tracy afishionado at gmail.com -- wtracy at calpoly.edu "Whatever the missing mass of the universe is, I hope it's not cockroaches!" -- Mom From 707mjanes at comcast.net Sun May 20 14:54:35 2007 From: 707mjanes at comcast.net (Mark Janes) Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:54:35 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Linus responds to M$ In-Reply-To: References: <464E3D7C.7060104@comcast.net> <464F4231.8010105@comcast.net> <8495.67.180.50.37.1179612608.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Message-ID: <4650C39B.8080106@comcast.net> William Tracy wrote: > *Maybe* the original source of the 640k comment? > > http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/media/1989%20Bill%20Gates%20Talk%20on%20Microsoft.html > http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=228031&cid=18475347 > > If so, he was grossly misquoted. :-P > > Took a look at the sites. Thanks everyone for pointing out the 'urban myth' of that particular so-called quote. And thanks for reminding me of the need to research before I say something. I will be more careful in the future. I've said enough on this issue. ;) Mark Janes -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 249 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://nblug.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20070520/fc1d9ee9/attachment.pgp From rhayes at silcom.com Mon May 21 08:23:58 2007 From: rhayes at silcom.com (Robert Hayes) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 08:23:58 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] php5 apache2 WON'T DIE In-Reply-To: <20070519224431.GA24410@atlantic.devin.com> References: <200705191346.20785.rhayes@silcom.com> <20070519224431.GA24410@atlantic.devin.com> Message-ID: <200705210823.58921.rhayes@silcom.com> Eric, Thank you. Your suggestions helped. I'm sure it's no surprise to any members of this mailing list that you knew commands that most of us had not heard of. I didn't explain my actions very thoroughly. By the time I wrote I was thinking in shorthand and regressing into an earlier lifeform as a result of the frustration. I did use apt to install and remove all of the packages. But lsof revealed all sorts of things that were persistently running. I ended up reinstalling egroupware, calling for the 'egroupware-core' package instead of just 'egroupware' (they both install, but different versions (egroupware-core:v1.06 and egroupware: v1.04). That seemed to get everything into alignment. Apparently php5 does not include mysql extensions in the package and while that is the preferred build for the latest version of egroupware, in addition there are some known bugs in php5 that cause 'haystack' errors that break the display of data. Everything is running now, with php4, mysql5 , and egroupware 1.06. After that happened I gave way to the primal instincts and fairly *ran* away from my keyboard (after locking the console, there was a small piece of modern man left in me) and went outside to ogle the big yellow ball in the sky. Thanks again, Eric Bob On Saturday 19 May 2007 15:44, Eric Eisenhart wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 01:46:20PM -0700, Robert Hayes wrote: > > I removed apache2, and php5, installed apache (1.3) and php4, and php5 > > and apache2 keep coming up. > > > > I've ripped the directories out by the roots manually from a console. > > They still keep coming up. > > > > Years ago I went on vacation for a week and left my VW parked next to > > some kudzu vine. When I came home six days later the kudzu had crawled up > > the tires, over the fenders and the two sides were weaving together > > across the hood. > > > > That was funny. This isn't. > > > > Any guidance, please. > > lsof. > > Specifically, look for the process id of the process that you don't want, > and run something like "lsof -p 317". One of the very first things listed > will be the executable that it ran from, followed by lots of libraries (and > other dynamically loaded objects, aka ".so files"). > > Another thing to try. Get the process ID again. Usually there's one > httpd/apache process running as root and the rest as "apache" or "http" or > "www-data" -- for the lsof thing it didn't matter which you got, for this > you really need the one that's running as root. > "strace -p 317" > Then in another console, "kill -HUP 317" > > This will tell the apache process to reload its configuration, which will > naturally involve loading all the configuration files. > > And, of course, "ps auxfw" is handy for this kind of thing. > > You didn't mention which distro you're using, but I would definitely > recommend using the information you gather from the above to find out which > package has the files causing you the problems, and tell the package > management system to remove those packages... Try working with your > package management system before ripping things out manually, or you risk > leaving roots that will sprout again and you'll never get the kudzu out of > your engine compartment. From rhayes at silcom.com Mon May 21 08:42:28 2007 From: rhayes at silcom.com (Robert Hayes) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 08:42:28 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] php5 apache2 WON'T DIE In-Reply-To: <20070519224431.GA24410@atlantic.devin.com> References: <200705191346.20785.rhayes@silcom.com> <20070519224431.GA24410@atlantic.devin.com> Message-ID: <200705210842.28556.rhayes@silcom.com> Oops. A little deficient in that response, too, wasn't I? The apache version that is back in place is 1.3. On Saturday 19 May 2007 15:44, Eric Eisenhart wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 01:46:20PM -0700, Robert Hayes wrote: > > I removed apache2, and php5, installed apache (1.3) and php4, and php5 > > and apache2 keep coming up. > > > > I've ripped the directories out by the roots manually from a console. > > They still keep coming up. > > > > Years ago I went on vacation for a week and left my VW parked next to > > some kudzu vine. When I came home six days later the kudzu had crawled up > > the tires, over the fenders and the two sides were weaving together > > across the hood. > > > > That was funny. This isn't. > > > > Any guidance, please. > > lsof. > > Specifically, look for the process id of the process that you don't want, > and run something like "lsof -p 317". One of the very first things listed > will be the executable that it ran from, followed by lots of libraries (and > other dynamically loaded objects, aka ".so files"). > > Another thing to try. Get the process ID again. Usually there's one > httpd/apache process running as root and the rest as "apache" or "http" or > "www-data" -- for the lsof thing it didn't matter which you got, for this > you really need the one that's running as root. > "strace -p 317" > Then in another console, "kill -HUP 317" > > This will tell the apache process to reload its configuration, which will > naturally involve loading all the configuration files. > > And, of course, "ps auxfw" is handy for this kind of thing. > > You didn't mention which distro you're using, but I would definitely > recommend using the information you gather from the above to find out which > package has the files causing you the problems, and tell the package > management system to remove those packages... Try working with your > package management system before ripping things out manually, or you risk > leaving roots that will sprout again and you'll never get the kudzu out of > your engine compartment. From afishionado at gmail.com Mon May 21 23:10:02 2007 From: afishionado at gmail.com (William Tracy) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 06:10:02 +0000 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Weirdness: BIOS POST lockups Message-ID: (Sorry this email got so long, but I've been fighting this for a while without getting a resolution.) Hello, I've got a weird issue that has me stumped. :-) My computer randomly locks up on boot during the POST. Normally, when I first power on the machine I see a screen from my video card's firmware, then the screen for the Award BIOS. It checks my CPU and displays the CPU name, then checks the RAM, and I see the numbers rapidly count count off the amount of memory, followed by a brief pause before my bootloader launches. However, recently it has started locking up somewhere between the CPU detection and RAM detection. When this happens, I see the CPU name displayed, but the line where I normally see the memory count is completely blank. At the bottom of the screen I can see the notice to press delete to enter set up, but the computer doesn't respond to this--its completely locked up. Now, here's where things get really weird. :-) I first noticed the problem about a month and a half ago. It steadily got worse--sometimes I would have to power-cycle the machine half a dozen times to get to the bootloader (turn it on, see it lock up, power off, ...two ...three ...four, power it up, it locks up, power it off, go organize some books, power it up, it locks up...)--until it reached the point where I couldn't boot the machine at all. I pulled out the power supply (an Antec) and replaced it with a Dynex one. The problem magically went away, and I chalked it up to capacitor plague in the power supply. Then, three weeks ago, I left the machine running continuously for a week while seeding some torrents. At the end, I powered the machine down for the night (I normally turn off my computer at night or when I'm at class), and when I powered it up again the POST locked up as I described before. My first guess was that my new power supply was defective, and just hadn't failed until I stress tested it. I used the system normally for the next week, and found that the POST locked up more or less randomly, again as described before. However, before I returned the Dynex, I opted to test the old Antec one more time. Lo and behold, it booted. Again, over the next week, I found that it failed randomly on maybe every other boot. When I had stopped using it before, it had not been booting at all. So, now I'm wondering if the problem is really the power supply at all. I can't imagine what else it could be, though, unless maybe it's something in the motherboard. (I really don't want to replace the motherboard!) So, at this point I'm trolling for ideas. I've run out of keywords to throw at Google, and I've resorted to just leaving the machine on all the time because I don't know if I'll be able to power it up again. I've started panicking every time I think I smell smoke (happened twice so far, but it wasn't actually coming from the computer--probably from someone's microwave). :-( Any thoughts? (Trying to stay on topic, the machine in question *is* running Debian Etch...) -- William Tracy afishionado at gmail.com -- wtracy at calpoly.edu "Whatever the missing mass of the universe is, I hope it's not cockroaches!" -- Mom From scott at ponzo.net Tue May 22 08:07:29 2007 From: scott at ponzo.net (Scott Doty) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:07:29 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Oh, prunes! an OpenOffice Virus! Message-ID: <20070522150728.GA13438@ponzo.net> Don't freak, the OpenOffice "virus" is just proof-of-concept, hasn't been seen in the wild... ;) http://www.apcmag.com/6162/first_openoffice_virus_emerges Obquote: '' Oh what a sweet, sweet day it must be for Microsoft. The first worm specifically targeting the open-source office package OpenOffice has emerged. It runs on Windows, Mac and Linux computers, but anti-malware vendor Sophos admits it poses a low threat, especially as it's only a proof-of-concept that hasn't actually been discovered 'in the wild'.[. . .] '' -Scott From seanvanco at gmail.com Tue May 22 08:34:12 2007 From: seanvanco at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:34:12 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Weirdness: BIOS POST lockups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2caee2210705220834l3881ec32p7c2525597c715c3b@mail.gmail.com> I do have a few suggestions, but I don't know which of them you've tried, so I'll fire away at the risk of seeming obvious... In my experience startup problems at POST are usually caused by five things: power, bad CPU, bad RAM, bad/loose video card and a bad BOIS image. Have you run memtest86 or some other RAM checker? Perhaps move the RAM to different slots just in case one of the slots is having a problem? As far as the video card, if it's on-board or AGP you could just slap in another card for testing purposes and see how it behaves. If it is PCI, try moving it to a different slot, as I've seen individual slots give sporadic problems. As far as power, have you tested the specific voltage output of both PSUs? They may be fine, but I've seen good PSUs have incorrect voltages cause odd behavior. Also, is your system on a UPS? An unstable power system in the house (fluctuations, voltage too low, etc) can cause system problems. I'd hate for you to be having a CPU problem, as those are the tough ones to nail down aside from installing it into another system to test. Have you tried a stress test program to see if it makes the system freeze or reboot once you've managed to POST? It may not rule out any of the other possibilities, but it could still shed light on the matter. I'm no as sure on this one, since you seem to indicate that your system runs fine once it manages to POST. The last thing I even think about trying is to flash the BIOS with a current image. I'm always leery of doing this, since if the flash fails part-way through your system could (depends on the manufacturer) end up as an expensive paperweight. This last option, I find, is rarely required, but if all else fails this might be a consideration. If I think of something else I'll post again, and others may have suggestions as well. Let us know which of these you've tried. From jxu at calpoly.edu Mon May 21 23:36:26 2007 From: jxu at calpoly.edu (Jimson Xu) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:36:26 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] [CPLUG] Weirdness: BIOS POST lockups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46528F6A.7020704@calpoly.edu> Just throwing out crazy ideas since I've never seen this problem before... Could it be faulty RAM? Since it seems to die around the time it starts to check the RAM. Maybe run a memory test (when your computer decides to boot for once) or replacing your RAM modules. -Jimson William Tracy wrote: >(Sorry this email got so long, but I've been fighting this for a while >without getting a resolution.) > > >Hello, > >I've got a weird issue that has me stumped. :-) My computer randomly >locks up on boot during the POST. > >Normally, when I first power on the machine I see a screen from my >video card's firmware, then the screen for the Award BIOS. It checks >my CPU and displays the CPU name, then checks the RAM, and I see the >numbers rapidly count count off the amount of memory, followed by a >brief pause before my bootloader launches. > >However, recently it has started locking up somewhere between the CPU >detection and RAM detection. When this happens, I see the CPU name >displayed, but the line where I normally see the memory count is >completely blank. At the bottom of the screen I can see the notice to >press delete to enter set up, but the computer doesn't respond to >this--its completely locked up. > >Now, here's where things get really weird. :-) > >I first noticed the problem about a month and a half ago. It steadily >got worse--sometimes I would have to power-cycle the machine half a >dozen times to get to the bootloader (turn it on, see it lock up, >power off, ...two ...three ...four, power it up, it locks up, power it >off, go organize some books, power it up, it locks up...)--until it >reached the point where I couldn't boot the machine at all. I pulled >out the power supply (an Antec) and replaced it with a Dynex one. The >problem magically went away, and I chalked it up to capacitor plague >in the power supply. > >Then, three weeks ago, I left the machine running continuously for a >week while seeding some torrents. At the end, I powered the machine >down for the night (I normally turn off my computer at night or when >I'm at class), and when I powered it up again the POST locked up as I >described before. > >My first guess was that my new power supply was defective, and just >hadn't failed until I stress tested it. I used the system normally for >the next week, and found that the POST locked up more or less >randomly, again as described before. > >However, before I returned the Dynex, I opted to test the old Antec >one more time. Lo and behold, it booted. Again, over the next week, I >found that it failed randomly on maybe every other boot. When I had >stopped using it before, it had not been booting at all. > >So, now I'm wondering if the problem is really the power supply at >all. I can't imagine what else it could be, though, unless maybe it's >something in the motherboard. (I really don't want to replace the >motherboard!) > >So, at this point I'm trolling for ideas. I've run out of keywords to >throw at Google, and I've resorted to just leaving the machine on all >the time because I don't know if I'll be able to power it up again. >I've started panicking every time I think I smell smoke (happened >twice so far, but it wasn't actually coming from the >computer--probably from someone's microwave). :-( > >Any thoughts? > >(Trying to stay on topic, the machine in question *is* running Debian Etch...) > > > From whereami at gmail.com Tue May 22 01:32:38 2007 From: whereami at gmail.com (David Sharp) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 01:32:38 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] [CPLUG] Weirdness: BIOS POST lockups In-Reply-To: <46528F6A.7020704@calpoly.edu> References: <46528F6A.7020704@calpoly.edu> Message-ID: Ideas in the order that you should test: 1. RAM -- borrow a good stick from a friend, and/or run memtest86 2. PSU -- would be bad luck to get two bad ones in a row... again, borrow from a friend. Also, how much power can your PSU deliver? maybe you're not spending enough money. with power supplies, you usually get what you pay for. (now the wackier ideas...) 3. BIOS? -- could potentially be a corrupted bios.. find an image to flash it with. 4. CPU heatsink? -- maybe you're just overheating? check your temperature gauges. After that, it's not going to be any fun, b/c it's probably the mobo or the CPU, which are hard to test, and expensive to replace. On 5/21/07, Jimson Xu wrote: > Just throwing out crazy ideas since I've never seen this problem > before... Could it be faulty RAM? Since it seems to die around the > time it starts to check the RAM. Maybe run a memory test (when your > computer decides to boot for once) or replacing your RAM modules. > > -Jimson > > William Tracy wrote: > > >(Sorry this email got so long, but I've been fighting this for a while > >without getting a resolution.) > > > > > >Hello, > > > >I've got a weird issue that has me stumped. :-) My computer randomly > >locks up on boot during the POST. > > > >Normally, when I first power on the machine I see a screen from my > >video card's firmware, then the screen for the Award BIOS. It checks > >my CPU and displays the CPU name, then checks the RAM, and I see the > >numbers rapidly count count off the amount of memory, followed by a > >brief pause before my bootloader launches. > > > >However, recently it has started locking up somewhere between the CPU > >detection and RAM detection. When this happens, I see the CPU name > >displayed, but the line where I normally see the memory count is > >completely blank. At the bottom of the screen I can see the notice to > >press delete to enter set up, but the computer doesn't respond to > >this--its completely locked up. > > > >Now, here's where things get really weird. :-) > > > >I first noticed the problem about a month and a half ago. It steadily > >got worse--sometimes I would have to power-cycle the machine half a > >dozen times to get to the bootloader (turn it on, see it lock up, > >power off, ...two ...three ...four, power it up, it locks up, power it > >off, go organize some books, power it up, it locks up...)--until it > >reached the point where I couldn't boot the machine at all. I pulled > >out the power supply (an Antec) and replaced it with a Dynex one. The > >problem magically went away, and I chalked it up to capacitor plague > >in the power supply. > > > >Then, three weeks ago, I left the machine running continuously for a > >week while seeding some torrents. At the end, I powered the machine > >down for the night (I normally turn off my computer at night or when > >I'm at class), and when I powered it up again the POST locked up as I > >described before. > > > >My first guess was that my new power supply was defective, and just > >hadn't failed until I stress tested it. I used the system normally for > >the next week, and found that the POST locked up more or less > >randomly, again as described before. > > > >However, before I returned the Dynex, I opted to test the old Antec > >one more time. Lo and behold, it booted. Again, over the next week, I > >found that it failed randomly on maybe every other boot. When I had > >stopped using it before, it had not been booting at all. > > > >So, now I'm wondering if the problem is really the power supply at > >all. I can't imagine what else it could be, though, unless maybe it's > >something in the motherboard. (I really don't want to replace the > >motherboard!) > > > >So, at this point I'm trolling for ideas. I've run out of keywords to > >throw at Google, and I've resorted to just leaving the machine on all > >the time because I don't know if I'll be able to power it up again. > >I've started panicking every time I think I smell smoke (happened > >twice so far, but it wasn't actually coming from the > >computer--probably from someone's microwave). :-( > > > >Any thoughts? > > > >(Trying to stay on topic, the machine in question *is* running Debian Etch...) > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cplug mailing list > Cplug at lists.cplug.org > http://lists.cplug.org/mailman/listinfo/cplug > -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? From seanvanco at gmail.com Tue May 22 09:16:47 2007 From: seanvanco at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:16:47 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] [CPLUG] Weirdness: BIOS POST lockups In-Reply-To: References: <46528F6A.7020704@calpoly.edu> Message-ID: <2caee2210705220916i65f318e0h513ef3651561aabe@mail.gmail.com> One other possibility I forgot to mention. I've seen POST problems caused by IDE devices. It may be a shot in the dark, but is fairly easy to do. Unplug all IDE devices, including the hard drive and floppy, and see if it helps improve the successful POST frequency. If it does, plug things back in one at a time until the problem re-occurs and consider replacing the offending device. Make sure that you don't have any CD-Rom drives set as masters. I've seen this cause many problems because the CD-Rom can't quite seem to handle controlling the data traffic. I know that GRUB may not be happy with removing IDE devices and hang, so it may be annoying during this process. From eric at landerville.com Tue May 22 09:57:26 2007 From: eric at landerville.com (Eric T. Landerville) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:57:26 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Weirdness: BIOS POST lockups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <465320F6.50706@landerville.com> I don't mean to suggest a simple answer that you have probably already covered in your trials and tribulations, but have you unplugged all of your usb devices. I have a problem with a machine at work that if a flash drive is plugged in it has the same symptoms that your machine is having. As soon as I snatch (usually full of anger) the flash drive out it continues the boot process. No reboot needed. Eric William Tracy wrote: > (Sorry this email got so long, but I've been fighting this for a while > without getting a resolution.) > > > Hello, > > I've got a weird issue that has me stumped. :-) My computer randomly > locks up on boot during the POST. > > Normally, when I first power on the machine I see a screen from my > video card's firmware, then the screen for the Award BIOS. It checks > my CPU and displays the CPU name, then checks the RAM, and I see the > numbers rapidly count count off the amount of memory, followed by a > brief pause before my bootloader launches. > > However, recently it has started locking up somewhere between the CPU > detection and RAM detection. When this happens, I see the CPU name > displayed, but the line where I normally see the memory count is > completely blank. At the bottom of the screen I can see the notice to > press delete to enter set up, but the computer doesn't respond to > this--its completely locked up. > > Now, here's where things get really weird. :-) > > I first noticed the problem about a month and a half ago. It steadily > got worse--sometimes I would have to power-cycle the machine half a > dozen times to get to the bootloader (turn it on, see it lock up, > power off, ...two ...three ...four, power it up, it locks up, power it > off, go organize some books, power it up, it locks up...)--until it > reached the point where I couldn't boot the machine at all. I pulled > out the power supply (an Antec) and replaced it with a Dynex one. The > problem magically went away, and I chalked it up to capacitor plague > in the power supply. > > Then, three weeks ago, I left the machine running continuously for a > week while seeding some torrents. At the end, I powered the machine > down for the night (I normally turn off my computer at night or when > I'm at class), and when I powered it up again the POST locked up as I > described before. > > My first guess was that my new power supply was defective, and just > hadn't failed until I stress tested it. I used the system normally for > the next week, and found that the POST locked up more or less > randomly, again as described before. > > However, before I returned the Dynex, I opted to test the old Antec > one more time. Lo and behold, it booted. Again, over the next week, I > found that it failed randomly on maybe every other boot. When I had > stopped using it before, it had not been booting at all. > > So, now I'm wondering if the problem is really the power supply at > all. I can't imagine what else it could be, though, unless maybe it's > something in the motherboard. (I really don't want to replace the > motherboard!) > > So, at this point I'm trolling for ideas. I've run out of keywords to > throw at Google, and I've resorted to just leaving the machine on all > the time because I don't know if I'll be able to power it up again. > I've started panicking every time I think I smell smoke (happened > twice so far, but it wasn't actually coming from the > computer--probably from someone's microwave). :-( > > Any thoughts? > > (Trying to stay on topic, the machine in question *is* running Debian Etch...) > > From fratm at adnd.com Tue May 22 10:16:46 2007 From: fratm at adnd.com (Steve Johnson) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:16:46 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Weirdness: BIOS POST lockups In-Reply-To: <465320F6.50706@landerville.com> References: <465320F6.50706@landerville.com> Message-ID: On 5/22/07, Eric T. Landerville wrote: > I don't mean to suggest a simple answer that you have probably already > covered in your trials and tribulations, but have you unplugged all of > your usb devices. I have a problem with a machine at work that if a > flash drive is plugged in it has the same symptoms that your machine is > having. As soon as I snatch (usually full of anger) the flash drive out > it continues the boot process. No reboot needed. > Eric I've experience this same thing, but it only happened when my USB flash drive was plugged into my USB hub that is build into my Dell monitor.. If I plug the USB Drive directly into a USB port on the mother board, I don't have the problem.. So it could be a USB hub issue. -Steve -- Blog - http://www.fratm.com/index.php/User:Fratm "Knowing others is wisdom, knowing your self is Enlightenment." - Lao-Tzu From sms at sonic.net Tue May 22 11:42:30 2007 From: sms at sonic.net (S. Saunders) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NBLUG/talk] [CPLUG] Weirdness: BIOS POST lockups In-Reply-To: References: <46528F6A.7020704@calpoly.edu> Message-ID: <19522.67.180.50.37.1179859350.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Lots of excellent suggestions; any of 'em might be the culprit... I'd just like to call one thing: On Tue, May 22, 2007 01:32, David Sharp wrote: > 4. CPU heatsink? -- maybe you're just overheating? check your > temperature gauges. > > > Then, three weeks ago, I left the machine running continuously > > > for a week while seeding some torrents. At the end, I powered > > > the machine down for the night (I normally turn off my computer > > > at night or when I'm at class), and when I powered it up again > > > the POST locked up as I > > > described before. It does kinda sound like some sort of thermal expansion might be causing an intermittent... though usually that happens *when* the unit is hot. Still and all: getting a bit of heater-duct & a little space-heater unit, and raising the overall temp of the box might be one of your possible diagnostic tools (if that "works," i.e. seems to initiate problems a blow-drier to heat up individual units (not just CPU) as described in this thread, 'til you find the heat-susceptible one(s) is the next step...) This /is/ a wierd problem... not sure how many hours you're willing to throw at the solution. - Steve S. From afishionado at gmail.com Tue May 22 13:55:45 2007 From: afishionado at gmail.com (William Tracy) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:55:45 +0000 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] [CPLUG] Weirdness: BIOS POST lockups In-Reply-To: <19522.67.180.50.37.1179859350.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> References: <46528F6A.7020704@calpoly.edu> <19522.67.180.50.37.1179859350.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Message-ID: Thanks for all the ideas, everybody. (Cross-posting to both CPLUG and NBLUG was probably overkill, but I'm starting to freak out...) I need to have access to the machine on Thursday, so I think I'll just leave it running until then and start testing things afterwards. A lot of the ideas people have posted don't *seem* to make sense, though I plan on investigating them anyway. The computer had been running fine before--the machine got a new motherboard about two years ago, but I hadn't even opened the case since then until after the problems started. I wouldn't expect defective parts or weird wiring to suddenly cause a problem now. The lockups seem just as likely to happen when I first power the machine on the first time in the morning as when I reboot the machine after it's already warmed up, so temperature doesn't seem to be the problem. Gkrellm does report the processor temperature at 134F right now--with everything running alright--but I suspect that the sensor is calibrated a bit high. The system is a lot more stable once booted than I would expect if the memory were going bad. Firefox doesn't want to run more than about three days continuously before it freezes up, and once in a while Kicker will segfault and restart itself. Otherwise, I have no problem running a full KDE desktop continuously for over a week. Still, I want to give memtest86+ a shot at it sometime soon. I'm quite hesitant to re-flash the BIOS (I'm not sure that I even can without Windows), but I have noticed that after I swap out the power supplies, the computer tends to stop wanted to recognize the keyboard (PS/2) on boot. Once the OS boots up and loads its drivers, the keyboard is fine, but I can't use the keyboard either during POST to access the BIOS setup, or to change OSes in Grub. I can reset the BIOS settings via a jumper on the motherboard, and then everything is dandy until I swap PSU again. There was a comment about USB devices that caught my attention, partly because that sounds easy to test. ;-) I have a USB extension cable that at some point shorted out somewhere internally. I first noticed that the computer no longer recognized devices plugged into the cable, then I realized that the computer would freeze on boot when the cable was plugged in. I stopped using the cable then, and I think it's now living on the floor somewhere behind my desk. The only USB device I have plugged into the machine right now is a Logitech optical mouse. Once the machine is booted up, the mouse works fine. It's plugged into one of the ports in the back directly on the motherboard. It would be very interesting if that were the cause of the problem. :-P Anyway, here's some background on the machine, on the off chance that it gives someone some ideas. It was custom-built by a gamer who sold it to me a year after he build it, since it was no longer bleeding-edge enough for his taste. :-P I believe the motherboard is by Gainward, but I'd have to double-check that. It has three RAM slots, all of them in use, and one AGP slot housing an nVidia GeForce 4 (I love that video card, but I digress). The processor is an Athlon XP. There's a Maxtor 200Gb hard disk, a floppy drive and a CD-RW drive. Looking through the window in the case, I don't see any daisy-chaining of ribbon cable, but I've have to pop it open to be sure. Anyway, thanks a lot to everybody who's responded so far. At least I have some leads to work on now. :-) -- William Tracy afishionado at gmail.com -- wtracy at calpoly.edu "Whatever the missing mass of the universe is, I hope it's not cockroaches!" -- Mom From list-nblug-talk at rangat.org Tue May 22 13:57:17 2007 From: list-nblug-talk at rangat.org (Robert P. Thille) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:57:17 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Weirdness: BIOS POST lockups In-Reply-To: <2caee2210705220834l3881ec32p7c2525597c715c3b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2caee2210705220834l3881ec32p7c2525597c715c3b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <076FB17C-A9AB-436D-80A3-A2AB5529DFC6@rangat.org> On May 22, 2007, at 8:34 AM, Sean wrote: > Have you run memtest86 or some other RAM checker? Perhaps move the RAM > to different slots just in case one of the slots is having a problem? I've had computers for about 25 years now, and until last year I never had RAM go bad just sitting in a machine, but last year, one of the two 512MB SODIMMs in my Powerbook G3 went bad. I was glad I went with a reputable seller (crucial), since the replacement was pretty painless (once I figured out that's why my machine was crashing intermitently...) So, it certainly could be the RAM going bad. Robert -- Robert Thille 7575 Meadowlark Dr.; Sebastopol, CA 95472 Home: 707.824.9753 Office/VOIP: 707.780.1560 Cell: 707.217.7544 Robert.Thille at rangat.org YIM:rthille http://www.rangat.org/rthille Cyclist, Mountain Biker, Freediver, Kayaker, Rock Climber, Hiker, Geek May your spirit dive deep the blue, where the fish are many and large! From rhayes at silcom.com Tue May 29 11:40:45 2007 From: rhayes at silcom.com (Robert Hayes) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 11:40:45 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] OT: Meteorology Message-ID: <200705291140.45985.rhayes@silcom.com> Sorry for the OT, but there's SO much background knowledge in the group that reads and participates in this list, and I've had so little success in finding answers to some questions online or in personal contacts. Is there anyone here who is schooled in, or works in meteorology? Specifically I have questions about natural environmental conditions. Nothing too out there, just classical conditions. Thank you. From jack.delbert at gmail.com Mon May 28 08:01:11 2007 From: jack.delbert at gmail.com (Jack Smith) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 11:01:11 -0400 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Desktop icons disappeared again Message-ID: Just FYI, unless anyone has suggestions. My desktop icons disappeared in Fedora core 6 again. I shut down all of my running stuff, which fixed it last time, to no avail. Nautilus was still running, in fact there were three running. (This might be a clue, I'll check it next time.) Logging off and in didn't help, I didn't even get wallpaper. (Maybe something was running wild? I'll check system usage next time.) Rebooting fixed the problem. Jack -- English doesn't borrow from other languages -- English follows other languages down dark alleys and takes what it wants. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://nblug.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20070525/c2d6d014/attachment.htm From susan at cdl.edu Wed May 30 13:16:26 2007 From: susan at cdl.edu (Susan Baur) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:16:26 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] OT: Meteorology In-Reply-To: <200705291140.45985.rhayes@silcom.com> References: <200705291140.45985.rhayes@silcom.com> Message-ID: <6D84D108-603B-4200-B1E3-41311C645650@cdl.edu> Robert, I don't have any personal expertise, but you might consider contacting the earth sciences departments at Sonoma State, SRJC or your favorite university to see if you could have a few moments of someone's time. --Susan On May 29, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Robert Hayes wrote: > Sorry for the OT, but there's SO much background knowledge in the > group that > reads and participates in this list, and I've had so little success in > finding answers to some questions online or in personal contacts. > > Is there anyone here who is schooled in, or works in meteorology? > > Specifically I have questions about natural environmental conditions. > Nothing too out there, just classical conditions. > > Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at nblug.org > http://nblug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > From afishionado at gmail.com Sun May 27 13:14:31 2007 From: afishionado at gmail.com (William Tracy) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 13:14:31 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] [CPLUG] Weirdness: BIOS POST lockups In-Reply-To: References: <46528F6A.7020704@calpoly.edu> <19522.67.180.50.37.1179859350.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Message-ID: An update. I ran memtest86 for over forty hours continuously with no errors. Before that, when I had Linux running continuously so that I didn't have to reboot, I ran some long raytracing jobs just for the heck of it. It may not count as a real CPU stress test, but I had rendering jobs that took over an hour that did not encounter any errors. This morning, I was running into lockups again while trying to power up the machine. I was able to replicate the problems several times with all external cables unplugged except the screen and the power cable (ethernet, PS/2, and all USB devices were all unplugged), and with all of the ribbon cable unplugged from the motherboard. At this point, it really looks like the problem is the motherboard. :-P I need to get in there and hunt for evidence of capacitor plague. Anyway, thanks again for all the ideas, everybody. William From afishionado at gmail.com Wed May 30 15:35:12 2007 From: afishionado at gmail.com (William Tracy) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:35:12 +0000 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Weirdness: BIOS POST lockups In-Reply-To: <867959.89798.qm@web83726.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <867959.89798.qm@web83726.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 5/26/07, highenergy09-linux at yahoo.com wrote: > It could be dust. Have you tried blowing it out? I have found that this > always makes my weird intermittant problems go away. You now, the case *is* really, really dusty. :-P > I don't have an air > compressor, or anything, so I use a leaf blower. I don't have either, so I'll have to track one down! Thanks. :-) -- William Tracy afishionado at gmail.com -- wtracy at calpoly.edu gcc -Wall Larry.c From timp at sonic.net Wed May 30 20:03:46 2007 From: timp at sonic.net (Tim Preston) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:03:46 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] OT: Meteorology In-Reply-To: <200705291140.45985.rhayes@silcom.com> References: <200705291140.45985.rhayes@silcom.com> Message-ID: <465E3B12.3060208@sonic.net> What kind of questions are you pondering Robert? Contact me off-list... Robert Hayes wrote: > Sorry for the OT, but there's SO much background knowledge in the group that > reads and participates in this list, and I've had so little success in > finding answers to some questions online or in personal contacts. > > Is there anyone here who is schooled in, or works in meteorology? > > Specifically I have questions about natural environmental conditions. > Nothing too out there, just classical conditions. > > Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at nblug.org > http://nblug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > From fratm at adnd.com Thu May 31 12:33:35 2007 From: fratm at adnd.com (Steve Johnson) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:33:35 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] MySQL Migration.. Message-ID: I have a project where I have to migrate from a MySQL 3.x server to a MySQL 5.x server. This is a 'Customer' database server, so I wont have passwords, except for the encrypted version in the mysql databases user table. My Questions are.. 1) Is there a tool that will do this for me? and 2) If I have to end up doing this by hand, what are some gotcha's I need to look out for? There are about 50 accounts, so if I can possible do this with a tool, that would be awesome! (Each account has 3 logins, a read, a readwrite, and an admin.) Any help would be mucho appreicated.. Thanks. -Steve -- Blog - http://www.fratm.com/index.php/User:Fratm "Knowing others is wisdom, knowing your self is Enlightenment." - Lao-Tzu From susan at cdl.edu Thu May 31 16:12:04 2007 From: susan at cdl.edu (Susan Baur) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:12:04 -0700 Subject: [NBLUG/talk] MySQL Migration.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B22E51-25AA-440D-AAAC-2485DADA8D26@cdl.edu> Hi Steve, You should be able to use mysqldump to get the data out of your 3.x db and import it into 5.x. The biggest issue I had when doing a similar upgrade to 4.1 was that MySQL changed their password hashing algorithm between those two versions. from http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/upgrading-from-4-0.html After upgrading, update the grant tables to obtain the new longer Password column that is needed for more secure handling of passwords. The procedure uses mysql_fix_privilege_tables and is described in Section 5.5.4, ?mysql_fix_privilege_tables ? Upgrade MySQL System Tables?[http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/mysql-fix-privilege- tables.html]. If you do not do this, MySQL does not use the new more secure protocol to authenticate. Implications of the password- handling change for applications are given later in this section. If for some reason (e.g. your webapp doesn't know any better) you need to continue using the old style passwords with your upgraded database, there's also a command line option you can set (--old- passwords) that will force it to the older passwords. Also see http:// dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/password-hashing.html for more info on this. HTH, --Susan On May 31, 2007, at 12:33 PM, Steve Johnson wrote: > I have a project where I have to migrate from a MySQL 3.x server to a > MySQL 5.x server. This is a 'Customer' database server, so I wont > have passwords, except for the encrypted version in the mysql > databases user table. > > My Questions are.. 1) Is there a tool that will do this for me? and 2) > If I have to end up doing this by hand, what are some gotcha's I need > to look out for? > > There are about 50 accounts, so if I can possible do this with a tool, > that would be awesome! (Each account has 3 logins, a read, a > readwrite, and an admin.) > > Any help would be mucho appreicated.. > > Thanks. > > -Steve > > -- > Blog - http://www.fratm.com/index.php/User:Fratm > "Knowing others is wisdom, knowing your self is Enlightenment." - > Lao-Tzu > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at nblug.org > http://nblug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk >