[NBLUG/talk] Are all SEO and social networking builders scams?

Anet Dunne anetdunne at gmail.com
Fri Mar 6 08:10:16 PST 2015


Omar, your instincts are right, and I am saying this as an SEO specialist.
There is legitimate magic, which is essentially making your site readable
to Google.  Remember the old days when people had expensive Flash
websites?  Search engines could not understand the content of the site, so
the expensive website did not get good page rank.  People like me fixed
problems like that.  Same for websites that were just big pictures. Their
owners thought these websites were artistic and dramatic.  They were
actually rocks on the Internet that no one could find.  As recently as a
few years ago, Google could not determine the content of an image, so text
had to be created on the page or in the HTML markup, and links had to be
easy for Googlebots to follow.

I found a business in San Rafael who was spending thousands each month on
Yellow Pages advertising and whose 70 page website couldn't be found on the
first seven pages of Google results on a search for what he did.  I built a
seven page "front-end" for his website so that Google could understand what
he did, and could find the 70 pages, and his business jumped to the top of
the organic results (free results) in WEEKS!.  Now, most of his new
business comes through Google advertising and search and he has cut his
Yellow Pages expense by 90%.  http://www.artisticcellars.com/

Here's an example of one of his old pages.
http://www.artisticcellars.com/makeover.html  These pages are still up
because the SIZE of the website, and HOW LONG it has been on the Internet
are factors Google includes in its algorithm for "Trust," a factor in page
rank.  Back-links are still King for Google, but this too can be shilled,
(see FiverR, below).

Regarding Twitter, and getting a lot of followers quickly, here's where
lazy SEO people go to get things like that done.  You can get almost
anything for Five Dollars, hence the website name.

https://www.fiverr.com/

So, yes, there are legitimate techniques and yes, there are scammers.
Right now, the best way to improve your Google page rank is to make sure
your website loads fast and to optimize it for mobile.  Google checks every
website for speed and responsiveness, and the results are part of your page
rank score.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Glenn Kerbein <glenn at spontaneousdancing.net>
wrote:

> SEO is some other calibre of voodoo.
> I tried it before, and it's not so great. There are some Google tools
> that will work for you - their AdSense program is great.
>
> Shill followers will bump your relevance on the Twitter. After that,
> you'll get an equivalent set of legitimate users, and by then the shill
> users are irrelevant or unfollow you.
>
> Best of luck,
> Glenn
>
> On 03/05/2015 02:30 PM, Omar Eljumaily wrote:
> > I guess this is marginally related to Linux since it's all running on
> > LInux essentially.  I got a spam email today that said it would
> > guarantee 2,000 Twitter followers or your money back.  Are there
> > legitimate techniques for building such followings or do they use
> > non-legitimate means like shill followers?  I suppose shill followers
> > would boost your ego as well as make it appear that you're more
> > interesting than you are.
> >
> > Same for SEO in general.  The main issue for SEO as far as I can tell
> > are back-links.  Are there shill back-link sites?  I suppose search
> > engines would be wise to them.  Any legitimate SEO techniques?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Omar
> >
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