[NBLUG/talk] Are all SEO and social networking builders scams?

Fri Mar 6 10:41:37 PST 2015

BTW, I didn't mean to bad mouth Wordpress.  I actually use it a lot.  I 
was just speculating as to whether or not there was a penalty for using it.

Thanks,

Omar

On 3/6/2015 10:14 AM, Omar Eljumaily wrote:
> Anet, Wow thanks for the wealth of information.  I noticed the slow 
> page load phenom a couple of times when I switched a website from a 
> rather slow ISP to hosting on a local server with a fast connection.  
> The search engine hits went way up.  Same thing the other way around 
> where hits went down after switching to a slower website format.
>
> It begs the question for content management systems like Wordpress 
> that tend to be very slow and very often run on crowded shared hosting 
> sites.  It's nothing scientific, but I tend to get better hits with 
> very streamlined text oriented sites rather than gumming things up 
> with Flash and lots of javascript.  I think you touched on that.  I 
> have a suspicion that Wordpress in part is an invitation for people to 
> spam you and for search engines to ignore you.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Omar
>
>
>
> On 3/6/2015 8:10 AM, Anet Dunne wrote:
>> Omar, your instincts are right, and I am saying this as an SEO 
>> specialist.  There is legitimate magic, which is essentially making 
>> your site readable to Google.  Remember the old days when people had 
>> expensive Flash websites?  Search engines could not understand the 
>> content of the site, so the expensive website did not get good page 
>> rank.  People like me fixed problems like that.  Same for websites 
>> that were just big pictures. Their owners thought these websites were 
>> artistic and dramatic.  They were actually rocks on the Internet that 
>> no one could find.  As recently as a few years ago, Google could not 
>> determine the content of an image, so text had to be created on the 
>> page or in the HTML markup, and links had to be easy for Googlebots 
>> to follow.
>>
>> I found a business in San Rafael who was spending thousands each 
>> month on Yellow Pages advertising and whose 70 page website couldn't 
>> be found on the first seven pages of Google results on a search for 
>> what he did.  I built a seven page "front-end" for his website so 
>> that Google could understand what he did, and could find the 70 
>> pages, and his business jumped to the top of the organic results 
>> (free results) in WEEKS!.  Now, most of his new business comes 
>> through Google advertising and search and he has cut his Yellow Pages 
>> expense by 90%. http://www.artisticcellars.com/
>>
>> Here's an example of one of his old pages. 
>> http://www.artisticcellars.com/makeover.html These pages are still up 
>> because the SIZE of the website, and HOW LONG it has been on the 
>> Internet are factors Google includes in its algorithm for "Trust," a 
>> factor in page rank.  Back-links are still King for Google, but this 
>> too can be shilled, (see FiverR, below).
>>
>> Regarding Twitter, and getting a lot of followers quickly, here's 
>> where lazy SEO people go to get things like that done.  You can get 
>> almost anything for Five Dollars, hence the website name.
>>
>> https://www.fiverr.com/
>>
>> So, yes, there are legitimate techniques and yes, there are 
>> scammers.  Right now, the best way to improve your Google page rank 
>> is to make sure your website loads fast and to optimize it for 
>> mobile.  Google checks every website for speed and responsiveness, 
>> and the results are part of your page rank score.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Glenn Kerbein 
>> <glenn at spontaneousdancing.net <mailto:glenn at spontaneousdancing.net>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>     SEO is some other calibre of voodoo.
>>     I tried it before, and it's not so great. There are some Google tools
>>     that will work for you - their AdSense program is great.
>>
>>     Shill followers will bump your relevance on the Twitter. After that,
>>     you'll get an equivalent set of legitimate users, and by then the
>>     shill
>>     users are irrelevant or unfollow you.
>>
>>     Best of luck,
>>     Glenn
>>
>>     On 03/05/2015 02:30 PM, Omar Eljumaily wrote:
>>     > I guess this is marginally related to Linux since it's all
>>     running on
>>     > LInux essentially.  I got a spam email today that said it would
>>     > guarantee 2,000 Twitter followers or your money back.  Are there
>>     > legitimate techniques for building such followings or do they use
>>     > non-legitimate means like shill followers?  I suppose shill
>>     followers
>>     > would boost your ego as well as make it appear that you're more
>>     > interesting than you are.
>>     >
>>     > Same for SEO in general.  The main issue for SEO as far as I
>>     can tell
>>     > are back-links.  Are there shill back-link sites?  I suppose search
>>     > engines would be wise to them.  Any legitimate SEO techniques?
>>     >
>>     > Thanks,
>>     >
>>     > Omar
>>     >
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