<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Still running 14.04, unfortunately.<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Aug 2, 2017, at 21:58, Tom Most <<a href="mailto:twm@freecog.net">twm@freecog.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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On 07/31/2017 09:35 AM, Jordan Erickson wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">On 07/31/2017 12:06 AM, Tom Most wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I'll take a moment to node that pidfiles are not usually necessary on a
modern Linux system: under systemd there is no need to bother with them,
as init tracks the process directly.
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<pre wrap="">"modern Linux system" -- Them's fightin' words ;} Truly I can think of a
*couple* of modern distros who use an init system that doesn't attempt
to usurp the entirety of what small pieces working well together have
been accomplishing for many, many years.</pre>
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I mentioned systemd as it is the most commonly deployed modern init,
not to say that it is the only one. I could certainly have worded
this better, but, eh, I was tired. Frankly the odds are that Zach is
deploying to a system that runs systemd or Upstart, both of which I
would count as "modern" (this is about whether your init can
supervise processes in a useful way).<br>
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I actually really appreciate that this is the case, as it gets me
one step closer toward never having to maintain an init script
again.<br>
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<pre wrap="">all hail systemd
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<pre wrap="">RMS called, he wants his religion back.
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I intended this as a tongue-in-cheek remark about how stuff changes,
in the context of a response that states that PID files are usually
no longer necessary. For context, moving /var/run to /run was
proposed early in the systemd days, and has since been <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs/ch05s13.html">incorporated
into the FHS</a>. It was also adopted by other distributions
because, frankly, it's a good idea that solved real problems.<br>
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I am not sure how merely mentioning systemd --- once in the context
of "lots of distributions in 2017 ship it" and the other slightly
snarky --- qualifies me as a Priest in the Church of Holy systemd. I
really don't want any part of that poisonous "debate".<br>
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---Tom<br>
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