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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Hey Derek, et al. <br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Thanks for the link to
the XDA developer forum for my device, I briefly poked around,
but I'll dive deeper into it soon. <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I have noticed Signal
does things differently and your explanation fills in some of
the gaps in what I observed. I use both the Signal mobile app
and the desktop package for Ubuntu and Signal desktop is the
only package I have on my laptop running Linux Mint 20.3 that
has web updates and I can tell because the Linux Mint updater
has a little globe icon to denote it, while every other update I
see come up for every other package I have is either a security
update (shield icon) or software update (arrow pointing up
icon). Just because I noticed it does not mean I understood it
though. <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Thanks, <br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Brad<br>
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Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 04:52:37 -0700
From: Brad Morrison <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bradmorrison@sonic.net"><bradmorrison@sonic.net></a>
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Hi all,
Well, the June NBLUG meeting has come and gone. For those who didn't
make it or for those who want to rehash the glorious conversations, here
is my best recollection of events. I really need to take notes next time
as waiting this long after the meeting to send out notes is like
searching through a file cabinet trying to find a document that you
can't quite remember the name to...
LineageOS install: I gave an update on my progress and struggles with
the installation of LineageOS (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lineageos.org/">https://lineageos.org/</a>) on my OnePlus 6T
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.oneplus.com/6t?from=buy">https://www.oneplus.com/6t?from=buy</a>). I was able to get it up and
running after a few delays due to the fcat that I had the
T-Mobile/vendor firmware on the phone instead of the
OnePlus/manufacturer firmware, which presented some installation
problems. So I had to use payload-dumper-go to do something to the
OnePlus OxygenOS software
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.oneplus.com/global/support/softwareupgrade/details?code=PM1574156215016">https://www.oneplus.com/global/support/softwareupgrade/details?code=PM1574156215016</a>)
and then install that before I could move on. My experience with asking
for help on the LineageOS Libera.chat IRC service was OK - I got answers
to my issues, but the only person in the chat that responded definitely
made me feel like my questions were below him (not that anyone else was
asking questions at the same times that I was) and wasn't hesitant about
sharing his distaste for stupid/newbie questions. On the larger scale,
experiences like that are a big part of why people that are not super
knowledgeable tend to stick with corporate software. I've literally
never had any paid customer service rep say/type anything like "I saw it
and I ignored it" in response to my asking if he wanted me to repost my
original question/situation. I was able to find and install the Signal
APK (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.signal.org/">https://www.signal.org/</a>) and F-Droid will be my next task.
Surprisingly, it looked like Signal was not on F-Droid, when I did an
app search for it (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://search.f-droid.org/?q=signal&lang=en">https://search.f-droid.org/?q=signal&lang=en</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://search.f-droid.org/?q=signal&lang=en"><https://search.f-droid.org/?q=signal&lang=en></a>).
I briefly displayed the Turris Omnia open source router
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.turris.com/en/omnia/overview/">https://www.turris.com/en/omnia/overview/</a>) that I bought a few years
ago and have barely used since I got it, as most of the places I've
lived in since have already had internet setups and the various
roommates didn't want me messing with the established system. Turris
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.turris.com/en/">https://www.turris.com/en/</a>) is a company out of the Czech Republic that
produces open source networking products that are geared towards
security minded folks - I just thought that they were cool and wanted to
support their work. Turris is developed by the Czech Domain Registry
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.nic.cz/page/357/kontakt/">https://www.nic.cz/page/357/kontakt/</a>). I've been surprised at how many
open source products I have seen come out of the Czech Republic - which
is impressive for a relatively small country.
During the meeting, Brian was struggling with some installation
difficulties with Fedora 35/36 (?), but a few people seemed to be able
to help out with that.
There was a small debate over whether Google was more evil than Amazon
(that was brought up by a conversation about various app stores).
I was surprised to be nominated and then elected to the NBLUG Board. I
was sure I would have failed any kind of basic computer science exam,
but thankfully there are no such requirements to be on the Board. The
success of this campaign has already gone to my head and I'm thinking
about parlaying my recent success and running for higher office. POTUS
pays much better and 2024 might be my time - I'm over 35 and I was born
in the USA!
Finally, my interest in more Linux adoption didn't seem to get my
traction, as one person pointed out that something like 90% of
supercomputers use Linux, 70% of all websites use Linux
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/os-linux">https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/os-linux</a>), and most mobile
phones run Linux. The desktop market is another story though, but other
people reiterated how many people are using their phones for all/almost
all of their computing. At least in my current work world (accounting),
Linux isn't even an option as no good open source accounting software
exists. And with almost every business doing at least some of their own
bookkeeping, it locks lots of users into Microsoft's platform. Someone
made the point that accountants love Excel and while I didn't really
think about that before, I've definitely seen that at my workplace. We
are in the process of transitioning CRM software from RedTail
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://corporate.redtailtechnology.com/crm/">https://corporate.redtailtechnology.com/crm/</a>) to Salesforce
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.salesforce.com/">https://www.salesforce.com/</a>) and so a lot of time lately has been
devoted to pulling reports/data from RedTail and into Excel to be
formatted/modified so that we can prep it for the move to Salesforce.
The behemoth in financial/accounting software that we interact the most
with is Intuit (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuit">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuit</a>) and we use both
Lacerte and Quickbooks a lot.
I have a friend that lives in Weaverville (in Trinity County, CA) and
when I visited him several years ago, I was surprised to learn that the
Trinity County public library in Weaverville uses a version of Linux on
all of their public use library computers (although it was way out of
date at the time - 2018). That got me thinking about approaching the IT
manager of the Sonoma County Library system and I had met Nancy Trbovich
(?) years before at some Access Sonoma Broadband
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://sonomaedb.org/current-initiatives/broadband">https://sonomaedb.org/current-initiatives/broadband</a>) meeting. Nancy
seems to have retired or moved on and now the IT manager for the Sonoma
County library is Mike Dawe (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://sonomalibrary.org/person/mike-dawe">https://sonomalibrary.org/person/mike-dawe</a>)
- does anyone know him?
OK, that's all I can recall - feel free to add to this list or continue
any of these conversations if you're so inclined.
Thanks!
Brad
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Hey Brad,
A couple of quick comments for you...
You may have found this already, but for LineageOS I recommend checking
the XDA forum occasionally. There will be a specific thread for the
latest version of LineageOS on each phone. Here's the OnePlus 6T
thread:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/rom-official-fajita-12-lineageos-19.4437349/">https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/rom-official-fajita-12-lineageos-19.4437349/</a>
I've found it useful to check for known problems with specific weekly
releases, etc.
Signal on f-droid has a long and sordid history. Signal is open source
(though I've heard they don't always keep the public release up to
date), but they (the Signal organization) don't like third party builds
connecting to their servers. I suspect there's more to that story, but
I've never dug deeply enough to figure it out. But yeah, the signal
app isn't on f-droid, and I downloaded it from the signal web site.
- Derek
On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 04:52:37 -0700, Brad Morrison
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bradmorrison@sonic.net"><bradmorrison@sonic.net></a> wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Hi all,
Well, the June NBLUG meeting has come and gone. For those who didn't
make it or for those who want to rehash the glorious conversations,
here is my best recollection of events. I really need to take notes
next time as waiting this long after the meeting to send out notes is
like searching through a file cabinet trying to find a document that
you can't quite remember the name to...
LineageOS install: I gave an update on my progress and struggles with
the installation of LineageOS (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lineageos.org/">https://lineageos.org/</a>) on my OnePlus
6T (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.oneplus.com/6t?from=buy">https://www.oneplus.com/6t?from=buy</a>). I was able to get it up and
running after a few delays due to the fcat that I had the
T-Mobile/vendor firmware on the phone instead of the
OnePlus/manufacturer firmware, which presented some installation
problems. So I had to use payload-dumper-go to do something to the
OnePlus OxygenOS software
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.oneplus.com/global/support/softwareupgrade/details?code=PM1574156215016">https://www.oneplus.com/global/support/softwareupgrade/details?code=PM1574156215016</a>)
and then install that before I could move on. My experience with
asking for help on the LineageOS Libera.chat IRC service was OK - I
got answers to my issues, but the only person in the chat that
responded definitely made me feel like my questions were below him
(not that anyone else was asking questions at the same times that I
was) and wasn't hesitant about sharing his distaste for stupid/newbie
questions. On the larger scale, experiences like that are a big part
of why people that are not super knowledgeable tend to stick with
corporate software. I've literally never had any paid customer
service rep say/type anything like "I saw it and I ignored it" in
response to my asking if he wanted me to repost my original
question/situation. I was able to find and install the Signal APK
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.signal.org/">https://www.signal.org/</a>) and F-Droid will be my next task.
Surprisingly, it looked like Signal was not on F-Droid, when I did an
app search for it (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://search.f-droid.org/?q=signal&lang=en">https://search.f-droid.org/?q=signal&lang=en</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://search.f-droid.org/?q=signal&lang=en"><https://search.f-droid.org/?q=signal&lang=en></a>).
I briefly displayed the Turris Omnia open source router
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.turris.com/en/omnia/overview/">https://www.turris.com/en/omnia/overview/</a>) that I bought a few years
ago and have barely used since I got it, as most of the places I've
lived in since have already had internet setups and the various
roommates didn't want me messing with the established system. Turris
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.turris.com/en/">https://www.turris.com/en/</a>) is a company out of the Czech Republic
that produces open source networking products that are geared towards
security minded folks - I just thought that they were cool and wanted
to support their work. Turris is developed by the Czech Domain
Registry (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.nic.cz/page/357/kontakt/">https://www.nic.cz/page/357/kontakt/</a>). I've been surprised
at how many open source products I have seen come out of the Czech
Republic - which is impressive for a relatively small country.
During the meeting, Brian was struggling with some installation
difficulties with Fedora 35/36 (?), but a few people seemed to be
able to help out with that.
There was a small debate over whether Google was more evil than
Amazon (that was brought up by a conversation about various app
stores).
I was surprised to be nominated and then elected to the NBLUG Board.
I was sure I would have failed any kind of basic computer science
exam, but thankfully there are no such requirements to be on the
Board. The success of this campaign has already gone to my head and
I'm thinking about parlaying my recent success and running for higher
office. POTUS pays much better and 2024 might be my time - I'm over
35 and I was born in the USA!
Finally, my interest in more Linux adoption didn't seem to get my
traction, as one person pointed out that something like 90% of
supercomputers use Linux, 70% of all websites use Linux
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/os-linux">https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/os-linux</a>), and most mobile
phones run Linux. The desktop market is another story though, but
other people reiterated how many people are using their phones for
all/almost all of their computing. At least in my current work world
(accounting), Linux isn't even an option as no good open source
accounting software exists. And with almost every business doing at
least some of their own bookkeeping, it locks lots of users into
Microsoft's platform. Someone made the point that accountants love
Excel and while I didn't really think about that before, I've
definitely seen that at my workplace. We are in the process of
transitioning CRM software from RedTail
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://corporate.redtailtechnology.com/crm/">https://corporate.redtailtechnology.com/crm/</a>) to Salesforce
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.salesforce.com/">https://www.salesforce.com/</a>) and so a lot of time lately has been
devoted to pulling reports/data from RedTail and into Excel to be
formatted/modified so that we can prep it for the move to Salesforce.
The behemoth in financial/accounting software that we interact the
most with is Intuit (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuit">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuit</a>) and we use
both Lacerte and Quickbooks a lot.
I have a friend that lives in Weaverville (in Trinity County, CA) and
when I visited him several years ago, I was surprised to learn that
the Trinity County public library in Weaverville uses a version of
Linux on all of their public use library computers (although it was
way out of date at the time - 2018). That got me thinking about
approaching the IT manager of the Sonoma County Library system and I
had met Nancy Trbovich (?) years before at some Access Sonoma
Broadband (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://sonomaedb.org/current-initiatives/broadband">https://sonomaedb.org/current-initiatives/broadband</a>)
meeting. Nancy seems to have retired or moved on and now the IT
manager for the Sonoma County library is Mike Dawe
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://sonomalibrary.org/person/mike-dawe">https://sonomalibrary.org/person/mike-dawe</a>)
- does anyone know him?
OK, that's all I can recall - feel free to add to this list or
continue any of these conversations if you're so inclined.
Thanks!
Brad
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