[NBLUG/talk] Red Hat go bye bye

[Kyle Rankin]

On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 03:15:25PM -0800, Dave Rohling wrote:
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> From: talk-admin at nblug.org [mailto:talk-admin at nblug.org] On Behalf Of Kyle
> Rankin
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:06 PM
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> Subject: Re: [NBLUG/talk] Red Hat go bye bye
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> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 02:38:01PM -0800, Walter Hansen wrote:
> > Ok. Red Hat Enterprise is not a valid solution to my Linux needs as I 
> > suspect it will not be for many of the people on this list. I even 
> > emailed sonic support and they may be looking into Debian.
> > 
> > So obviously, except for my RH7.3 machine that is going to stay that 
> > way, I'm wondering what might be good migration options. I know that 
> > there is another distrubution that uses rpm files (I like em, but can 
> > do without them). Also there is this Fudora, which I know next to 
> > nothing about, even after going over the web page. Is it going to be a 
> > less well supported version of RH?
> > 
> > I know that service scripts are handled differently amongst the 
> > distrbutions and admit I am fond of the RH style "service start xfs" 
> > etc.
> > 
> > Anyhow I thought this might be a good time for those wiser in the ways 
> > of the force (er, linux) to lend their input to the less fortunates. 
> > Are there other distrubutions that have an update service or program? 
> > What are the pros and cons of the varrious distrubutions?
> > 
> > I'm sure there will be much chatting about this at the next meeting.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >                                      Walter Hansen
> > 
> >                       -hey where'd that rug that was under me go?
> > 
> 
> I don't know whether I want to touch the whole "Pro and Con of various
> distributions" question here, but I will tell you a bit about Fedora.
> 
> First, if you have a lot invested in your Redhat install, I wouldn't go to
> the trouble of switching your distro entirely without first trying Fedora,
> especially if you just downloaded the Redhat ISOs for free from somewhere
> and installed that way.
> 
> Basically, Fedora is for all those people who haven't been buying support
> from RedHat in the first place.  The packages will be there, and you can
> even get support for unsupported versions of Redhat through the Fedora
> Legacy project.  
> 
> With Fedora you can use up2date to update your packages like normal, and
> up2date can work with yum and apt-get tools as well -- this means automated
> dependency checking, with a (hopefully) large package repository that is
> updated frequently.  RedHat won't sell support for the Fedora Project, but
> there will be lots of development and packaging going on continuously, it
> seems -- kinda like Debian unstable.
> 
> The Fedora installer is the Redhat installer with Fedora replacing mentions
> of Redhat throughout.  Really it should "feel" the same as any Redhat
> install and desktop you have used.  I'm pretty sure you can migrate and
> upgrade your Redhat 7.3 desktop there as well more or less seamlessly, but
> you might want to back up some configuration settings (and your /home
> directory) just in case.
> 
> -- 
> Kyle Rankin
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> Has anyone installed this yet?
> 
> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/iso/
> 
> - Dave 
>

I installed "severn", which was basically the beta for this release last
Friday on a test machine.  It basically installs just like a standard RH
install, uses the same sorts of packages, has all the redhat-*
configuration tools, etc.  

It's really just Redhat without the support -- something most users of
Redhat at home that I know of, use anyway, apart from maybe buying a box
set to support the company, I think a lot of home users just download the
isos and install it and use mailing lists like this one, and friends, for
support anyway.  

Really I don't think things will change to much for the home user.  The
interesting implications are for the corporate market who might actually
need support directly from Redhat.

-- 
Kyle Rankin
NBLUG President
The North Bay Linux Users Group
http://nblug.org
IRC: greenfly at irc.freenode.net #nblug 
kyle at nblug.org